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    Sad Anniversary

    Not sure if this has been posted yet or not but here goes. Next Tuesday the 25th of May 2003 is the sad anniversary of the boiler explosion which doomed our most precious ship, the SS Norway.
    This afternoon I was looking thru the photo album, on this site. I was looking at the wonderful photos of the Norway. As I was going thru the many pictures of Norway and it suddenly hit me in the gut that this beautiful ship was in fact gone. Strange considering the photos we saw of her being scrapped at Alang. Plus all the 100's of posts we all had done on the old forum starting shortly after the explosion. Anyone else having smilar feelings???

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    The explosion could also been prevented if 1they were properly maintained 2repaired properly 3 if operating procedures from the manufacturer had been followed 4 if proper water chemistry had been followed. The Norway,s boiler ruptured do to shoddy maintenance shoddy repair failure to follow water chemistry guidelines and the heating and cooling of the boilers too quickly. which weakened the boilers. Also the sliding support feet were not lubricated which caused them to become frozen which means they could not move as the boiler expanded and contracted which caused those boilers to become over stressed it's in the NTSB report.if N.C.L didn't want to maintain and operate those boilers the proper way they should have replaced them with diesels.The Norways boiler problems seem to get progressively worse during the last decade she was in service. there were even proposals to reengine or reboiler her during one of her drydockings. the waterwall header ruptured because of a crack that had not been repaired instead someone melted copper into the crack possibly to hide it from inspectors again read the NTSB report. NCL and theres no way colin veich couldn't known about what was going on with those boilers.
    Last edited by kellyp; October 20th, 2010, 04:20.

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    Originally posted by pakarang View Post
    Indeed a very sad anniversary... and even till this day, it's hard to imagine that she is almost completely gone: spread out to some rich collectors all across the world.

    I so dearly wish she would have remained and that she would have sailed on, but I also understand that it would have been an almost impossible task (financially) to preserve her into some sort of static role. Especially with all the financial troubles the world has experienced the past few years.

    I frequently look back at old photographs of her and dream, dream of those days and all the memories I had on her for a decade.

    I also wish that her end had been a lot more glorious: a proper send off, and a proper retirement which would have been more appropriate for a such a national flag ship both for the Norwegian and French government for so many years.

    But they are just all that: my dreams.


    I also wish I could get a sudden burst of help to complete some more of her memorial pages on the CV main page... I had a dream to create the best English memorial site online for her, but I see now that doing so alone, is a loosing task as I do not have the time to do much more. I might have to delete all those unfinished pages on the main page, and let her stories disappear into history in the same way the ship eventually did. It's amazing how many people who have an experience with this ship but how few have stepped forward to offer some stories and information (that's my rant for today).
    Jan-Olav,
    Do not give up your to properly document the story of the SS Norway. I now agree that to preserve her was next to impossible, considering all of the changes that NCL had made to her since 1979. Had NCL kept her as the SS France while replacing all 8 of her original boilers for diesels, and upgrading her plumbing and electrical systems, the ship might have been saved in the same manner as the SS Rotterdam. Although, the MV France would have been best served in the highend cruise arena, like the QE2. Thus, the QE2 and the MV France could have been friendly rivals on the open seas.

    Realistically, I do feel that the best way to have saved the SS Norway was in 1990. Rather than waste a fortune with the installation of those upperdecks to her surperstructure, that money should have been used to replace the ship's remaining 4 boilers for diesel engines, plumbing/electrical systems, and the removal of the asbestos. Had NCL had chosen that option, the SS Norway would be with us today. The boiler explosion could have been prevented. If NCL had cared so much about the SS Norway, they should have either sold the ship or fix her up in a manner that was similar to the QE2 when its boilers were replaced with disel engines.

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  • pakarang
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    Originally posted by wherrygirl View Post
    In my previous post, itself in answer to one of yours, I asked you the above, but have heard no more. Any thoughts?
    The contents I'm missing is stories on the unfinished pages, article styled. Such as for example "Pride of two countries": why the ship was a pride for two countries, what made her special, why was she so grand, how proud and how well known was the ship in the two countries she sailed for, emotions and as a symbol... For example...

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  • wherrygirl
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    Originally posted by wherrygirl View Post
    You say "I had a dream to create the best English memorial site online for her". How do you see this taking shape? What would it contain, roughly?
    In my previous post, itself in answer to one of yours, I asked you the above, but have heard no more. Any thoughts?

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    I wish I would have had the chance to be on board, to feel her atmosphere and to smell that aroma. An equally wonderful ship will NEVER ever be build.

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  • pakarang
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    I might go out on a limb here, but I highly doubt another ship as fantastic as the SS France/Norway will ever be built again.

    There was something VERY special about her: a presence, grace, elegance, and as well, one of the most vivid memories of her is 5 AM on Wednesday morning when she sailed up Pillsbury Sound to Saint John, the sun about to rise, warm Caribbean breeze and the ship slowly awakening to a beautiful day.. all this, whilst being able to "smell that special aroma" on board...

    As mentioned many times before, there was indeed a very special smell, an aroma, on board the Norway. Does anyone else remember that?

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    Its a sad day especially for me because that very day is my mother's birthday. When i learned of the explosion, i was devestated. I remember first finding out the Norway was going to be scrapped. I broke down CRYING at school. It was devestating to me. Ill miss her along with the thousands of fans of her.

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  • wherrygirl
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    Originally posted by pakarang View Post
    ...they can also write the stories missing by gathering the information and putting it together.
    Pakarang, I've been right through your pieces on the Norway and it seems so extremely well covered that I don't really understand what it is you are missing when you ask for stories in the piece SS France/Norway Pride of 2 Countries. What information remains to be gathered other than the much desired reminiscences from people connected with her in one way or another? And that can only be done either by direct contact from them in answer to your appeal or by searching the web for them - a formidable task - and inviting their contribution.
    You say "I had a dream to create the best English memorial site online for her". How do you see this taking shape? What would it contain, roughly?
    By the way, that translation by caroluseligidius... accurate presumably, but good English? Yuk!

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    Originally posted by pakarang View Post
    I guess it's on of my quirks making me the one I am: I don't like leaving unfinished things, I rather see them completed or abandoned.

    Patience is a virtue
    Possess it if you can.
    Seldom in a woman
    But NEVER in a man.

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  • Seagull
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    I do understand how you feel because I am rather like that myself (except that I function on a longer time scale than you, dear impatient one ).

    I have actually tried to do something for these unfinished pages, but I just couldn’t get anywhere with it. I think one has to have at least some personal connection with the subject matter to be able to do it. Or at least I would need to have, though perhaps that is just one of my quirks.

    But as wherrygirl has said, you just never know, sometime someone out there with a connection with the ship might just happen to come across CaptainsVoyage for the first time . . .

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  • pakarang
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    I guess it's on of my quirks making me the one I am: I don't like leaving unfinished things, I rather see them completed or abandoned.

    The thing is, you don't need a lot of your own stories from the ship but if someone has a talent in writing, they can also write the stories missing by gathering the information and putting it together.

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  • wherrygirl
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    Originally posted by pakarang View Post
    I also wish I could get a sudden burst of help to complete some more of her memorial pages on the CV main page... I had a dream to create the best English memorial site online for her, but I see now that doing so alone, is a loosing task as I do not have the time to do much more. I might have to delete all those unfinished pages on the main page, and let her stories disappear into history in the same way the ship eventually did. It's amazing how many people who have an experience with this ship but how few have stepped forward to offer some stories and information (that's my rant for today).
    Pakarang, hold on to those dreams. I admit the S.S. Norway holds no memories for me, but I do remember her birth as the S.S.France as I was living near Southampton for several years at that time and therefore much more ship conscious with the Queens coming and going. But I have already said to you in an email: "And please don't delete any of the empty pages on your home page, as you threatened. Someone will come along some time who will fill them."
    Now look, man, be sensible. Those pages do no harm where they are, and you just never know....
    Last edited by wherrygirl; May 20th, 2010, 10:46.

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  • Seagull
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    I didn’t even have E’s “close miss”. It is only through your pages, "finished" or not, that I have known her at all . . .

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    Originally posted by pakarang View Post
    I might have to delete all those unfinished pages on the main page..
    Do that, Jan-Olav, and you will have to deal with me...and TRUST me...you DO NOT want to have to deal with me.

    (with apologies to the movie "Steel Magnolias".......)

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