S|S France and S|S Norway on the main page CaptainsVoyage.com

[pakarang]

S|S France and S|S Norway on the main page CaptainsVoyage.com

There are now many new and exiting updates to the ships pages on www.CaptainsVoyage.com.

Additionally, we kindly ask those of the supporters who would like to write some of the stories or provide more material, to please step forward and let us know.

[pakarang]

New updates, please review and comment:

Official Details Numbers

Cut Away and Diagrams

Collections

Pride of Two Countries

Bibliography and Videography

Construction Launch and Rebirth

+ all other pages, which in the past few days have been updated with new information. Comments wanted and welcomed.

[pakarang]

Many new pages and lots of new material has been added to the main page again....

Still, there are an equal amount of requests for material, information and details to all the pages (not only the France/ Norway - pages). That is, in case anyone really wishes to help out sometime!

[Steve.B]

Jan-Olav, I have just been looking through the additions you have been making to the main site. Some very interesting stuff indeed. The site really is becoming very comprehensive. I have to say I found your treasured 'cut away' diagram extremely interesting. What a wonderful thing to own. The detail on it is amazing - I have just spent ages looking at it. Just so many different spaces and compartments. It must be so strange for you looking at the drawing, looking at spaces and even rooms that you yourself must have spent so much time in. I can imagine that looking closely must bring out lots of emotions for you. I feel privileged to be able to look at such a wonderful document.

I have to ask a question though, do you know how they used to get the cars that were being carried into the aft storage area just above the prop shafts? That is puzzling me no end! I didnt think there was access big enough from the stern deck to get cars down there, do you know if there was some way of moving the cars from the forward stowage area to that area above the shafts? Or were there large enough shell doors and lift located aft?

[pakarang]

Originally Posted by Steve.B

I have to ask a question though, do you know how they used to get the cars that were being carried into the aft storage area just above the prop shafts? That is puzzling me no end! I didnt think there was access big enough from the stern deck to get cars down there, do you know if there was some way of moving the cars from the forward stowage area to that area above the shafts? Or were there large enough shell doors and lift located aft?

There was two cranes and a hatch on the after deck. The hatch was located just in front of the dome of the swimming pool aft. I'll post some pictures of this hatch, and cranes on the main site shortly!

[pakarang]

Originally Posted by Steve.B

Jan-Olav, I have just been looking through the additions you have been making to the main site. Some very interesting stuff indeed. The site really is becoming very comprehensive. I have to say I found your treasured 'cut away' diagram extremely interesting. What a wonderful thing to own. The detail on it is amazing - I have just spent ages looking at it. Just so many different spaces and compartments. It must be so strange for you looking at the drawing, looking at spaces and even rooms that you yourself must have spent so much time in. I can imagine that looking closely must bring out lots of emotions for you. I feel privileged to be able to look at such a wonderful document.

Thank you very much for those comments- it's certainly very emotional for me to talk about all the small and large spaces I spent so many years exploring whilst on board the Norway. Some rooms and spaces I may have forgotten, but some other details sits etched in my memory.

My dream is to make this site the best resource for SS Norway information, but in order to do so, I have come to the realization that it is not possible without the help of volunteers. There is no way I'll be able to gather, write, and prepare all the needed information which I wish to display.

It is therefore I continuously beg and ask for assistance and information. I apologize for being so consistent and for begging so often, but it's my dream to finish the site some day.

[janihudi]

keep begging and asking jan-olav,but in your whole life you can't get everything of the norway,our life is just to short for that.

for me,cv is my NORWAY bible and you are the NORWAY GOD.
and i wil kneel for you,you who show so much of a ship that i only meet ones.

diddend you get my pm,about the picture of her bow in bremerhaven?

[Captain RJ]

Originally Posted by pakarang

Comments wanted and welcomed.

Very nice detailed stuff Jan-Olav.

FYI, the LIBERTE was not replaced by the ILE DE FRANCE, the two were running mates for a eight years until the ILE DE FRANCE retirement in November 1958. Her last years before her demise were certainly the most interesting as she rescued passengers from the sinking ANDREA DORIA, ran aground, saw a violent storm and was a star of film called The Last Voyage- albeit in a negative manner.

I've read books that say 1957 was the year that air travel ruled, and I also have read 1958 as well so we will need to find the references.

[pakarang]

Originally Posted by Captain RJ

Very nice detailed stuff Jan-Olav.

FYI, the LIBERTE was not replaced by the ILE DE FRANCE, the two were running mates for a eight years until the ILE DE FRANCE retirement in November 1958. Her last years before her demise were certainly the most interesting as she rescued passengers from the sinking ANDREA DORIA, ran aground, saw a violent storm and was a star of film called The Last Voyage- albeit in a negative manner.

I've read books that say 1957 was the year that air travel ruled, and I also have read 1958 as well so we will need to find the references.

Dear Captain R.J.

Thank you very much for your input.... I have now corrected the text and would you please check if this sounds more correct?

Following the war, the much older and smaller “Liberte” of 42.050 GRT (built in 1927) replaced her on the Atlantic run for French Line. In 1950 the "Liberte" became the running mate of ”lle de France” of 51.839 GRT on the Atlantic run and they continued sailing together until the retirement of “Ile de France” in November 1958.

Additionally, for the 1957 vs 1958 this is what I found:

1957
This became the first year in history where a higher number of passengers were carried by planes rather than ocean liners across the Atlantic Ocean.

1958
The first plane with jet propulsion crossed the Atlantic Ocean - the planes were evolving and becoming faster and more popular.

Slightly different facts, two different years. Could these be correct?

[Captain RJ]

Your most welcome. You could mention that the LIBERTE was given to the French line as reparations as a result of the loss of the NORMANDIE which is how they wound up with a former German ship, the EUROPA of 1927.

I have found two places that mentioned 1958 as the year the carried more passengers by air, one is 50 Famous Liners(Miller), the other is RMS Queen Elizabeth, The Ultimate Ship(Harvey). I believe 1957 has also been used, but I will have to look in my library in what book that was mentioned.


The year 1958 has always been credited with the year the Boeing 707 came on line (NY to Paris in October of that year). Although it was not the first jet in the air, it was the most successful. This particular aircraft significantly cut the air travel time down I understand, and a bit more comfortable from the usual airplanes that were filling the skies. So your right there. Hope this helps!

[pakarang]

If you would be so kind, could you help me narrate the short opening for why SS France was built, based on what we already have. I'm a bit confused about the predecessors of France, the Liberte and Ile de France.

How would you have narrated that short part?

That is, if you have a time off course... no pressure.

[Captain RJ]

No problem Capt. I will do that as soon as I can and send it to you when its done.

[Steve.B]

Thanks for clearing that one up for me Jan-Olav, i will rest much easier now knowing how they got those cars down there! I never realised there was a hatch there. Im presuming that thats one hatch that did not survive the conversion into the Norway? Or was it still there tucked away underneath the new 'hanger' deck? I wonder how many off the France's original crew ever sailed on her after the conversion to the Norway? It must have been very strange for them, I bet they did a lot of exploring!

[pakarang]

Originally Posted by Captain RJ

No problem Capt. I will do that as soon as I can and send it to you when its done.

Thank you very much Captain! It doesn't need to be a long story, just the most important basics. I'm just having a few problems getting it right it seems (I know it's been mentioned/corrected at least once before also.... )

Originally Posted by Steve.B

Thanks for clearing that one up for me Jan-Olav, i will rest much easier now knowing how they got those cars down there! I never realised there was a hatch there. Im presuming that thats one hatch that did not survive the conversion into the Norway? Or was it still there tucked away underneath the new 'hanger' deck? I wonder how many off the France's original crew ever sailed on her after the conversion to the Norway? It must have been very strange for them, I bet they did a lot of exploring!

The hatch on Norway's pool deck was removed, but I wonder about the hatch trunk downwards into the ship... I've got to check the drawings to find what happen to those.

I do remember that we occasionally had ex-France crew members sailing as guests, they were incredibly knowledgeable about their ship and as all French guests on board, extremely passionate about her.

[pakarang]

Probably the most complete listing of SS Norway websites on the whole Internet:

http://www.captainsvoyage.com/captai..._Cruising.html

Should any links not work or should there be any missing, please let me know...

[pakarang]

I'm still looking for more information, visits to ports, dates, events which are still missing from the timeline.... I know there is a mountain of information out there among you, and that you all may know something: let us gather it!

Please....

http://www.captainsvoyage.com/captai..._Timeline.html

If you see anything that is not there, please do let me know so I can create the most complete timeline.....

[pakarang]

Originally Posted by pakarang

I'm still looking for more information, visits to ports, dates, events which are still missing from the timeline.... I know there is a mountain of information out there among you, and that you all may know something: let us gather it!

Please....

http://www.captainsvoyage.com/captai..._Timeline.html

If you see anything that is not there, please do let me know so I can create the most complete timeline.....

I have updated the timeline with as much as I think I know of the moment. Should there be more information missing, let me know!