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  • The permission to BEACH the SS Indy came as no surprise to me. It was bound to happen, in the same manner as the SS Norway. I am certain that Star Cruises are working hard, behind the scenes to sell the SS United States for scrap as well. All they have to do is to find an excuse to have her leave the USA for Asia to become a hotel ship. Star Cruise did the same story for the SS Indy, where they told the Authorities that the ship was going to become a casino vessel in Singapore. Those incompetent US Port Authorities allowed the ship to leave the US. The same story was given about the SS Norway to become a hotel ship in Asia. Look where that ship ended up: ALANG!!!!!

    The Sagafjord may just as well end up at Alang as well. However, I certainly hope that the SS United States and the MS Kungsholm will follow in the SS Rotterdam's footsteps.

    If the Dutch didn't come along to save the SS Rotterdam, the vessel would have been a part of Mr. Metha's ship collection. He loves to breakup the classic oceanliners. He already had the Maxim Gorkiy in his hands, and the ship was gone in under 7-8 months. Imagine if he got the SS United States in his hands? We all know that once the Big U is in his hands, Mr. Metha will never give the ship back. No matter how much money is offered to him. This is a man who hates the Western World and its culture..
    Last edited by redlinekid2; January 6th, 2010, 10:08.

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    • The Platinum II is NOT in Mr Mehta hands and it's not a collector. Only a scrapper... And he has today a lot to do with the giant tanker Sea wise Giant....

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      • Originally posted by Lenkinap View Post
        The Platinum II is NOT in Mr Mehta hands and it's not a collector. Only a scrapper... And he has today a lot to do with the giant tanker Sea wise Giant....
        Has the Seawise Giant ended up at Alang as well...? The worlds largest ship every built....
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        • Originally posted by pakarang View Post
          Has the Seawise Giant ended up at Alang as well...? The worlds largest ship every built....
          I'm surprised!! The last I heard she had a contract to become a FSO off Vietnam. Checking.

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          • According to maritime matters:

            Alang's Longest and Largest
            January 4: Among the many ships to recently beach at India's busy Alang shipbreaking yard in Gujarat is the MONT, the longest ship ever built at 1,504.1 feet. The 1979-built former supertanker is also the fifth largest ship in the world, measuring a staggering 260,941 gross tons. MONT was originally Orient Overseas Line's SEAWISE GIANT and was severely damaged in the Gulf War, then repaired and renamed HAPPY GIANT just prior to being sold to become Jorgen Jahre's JAHRE VIKING. In 2004, she was sold to Fred. Olsen to become a storage tanker in the Persian Gulf under the name KNOCK NEVIS. In late 2009, she was sold for scrap and will be broken up by Priya Blue Industries, the outfit that demolished NEW ORLEANS (ex ARGENTINA, ENCHANTED ISLE, etc.), RITA (ex WINDSOR CASTLE), BLUE LADY (ex FRANCE, NORWAY), MAXIM M (ex HAMBURG, MAXIM GORKIY). Additionally, GLORY (ex ANNA NERY, DANAOS, MORNING STAR, CONSTELLATION, REGENT SPIRIT, SALAMIS GLORY) was beached on Friday night, January 1. An image is posted at www.midshipcentury.com

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            • Originally posted by Lenkinap View Post
              The Platinum II is NOT in Mr Mehta hands and it's not a collector. Only a scrapper... And he has today a lot to do with the giant tanker Sea wise Giant....
              I never said that the SS Indy was in Mr. Metha's scrap collection. I was stating that if the current owners of the SS Rotterdam had not purchased her in 2005, it was likely that the SS Rotterdam would have been sold to Mr. Metha at that time, like the SS Winsor Castle. He is a fan of classic ships, which he loves to breakup.

              Break it up. Oh Break it up.

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              • But why do you states that he is a "fan of classic ships" ... It's absolutely stupid! He is only a businessman and the most (or one one of the most) important breaker of Alang. That why he has the money to buy important ships, liners, classic, tankers or not ... He has nothing against US, Europe, Australia, etc ... but he is an Indian businessman. He was absolutely - with Indian's rules of life - outraged by some words published on some forums against him, that's all.

                But he is doing business (it's not an easy one, you can trust me) with every one in the world, he can also be very polite when cash is there.

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                • I am so sick of people sticking up for this Mr. Metha and the Indian Courts and Government. Metha IS a business man that profits on the backs of the poor. The ones that only wish to feed their families with the pittance of wages, but will probably never see them again. Some will even die terrible deaths. He also profits from not having to contain the pollutants that cover the beaches and wash out to sea and hinder the livelyhood and health of local villages. As for the courts and Government, they only play lip service. They make rules to satisfy the shipbreaking agreements that they have no intention of enforcing. They have not yet turned ANY ship away because of its "contaminated cargo". The Clem was recalled by France, not refused by India. They do play the game of "No this ship can't come in" but allow the breakers to winch them onto the beach until they can't be refloated or park them on the rocks to make the ship unseaworthy. So knock it off and quit defending them!

                  As for the "Classic ships", the blame lies clearly on the owners, or does it? They are the ones modernizing their fleets to what most passengers seem to want and selling the old inventory to these breakers. However if they wish to be rid of a ship, and there are no buyers, what are they to do? The ships (as classic as they are) are simply commodities to be bought and sold. It is no different than if you wish to sell your car. I don't care if someone buys it or if it is scrapped, as long as this is done in a responsible way. (Unlike the breakers in India and some other countries)

                  Maybe the blame lies in the fact that there are no buyers for these ships other than the breakers. Any parties that have been interested in saving any of these classic ships want to purchase at prices far below what they are worth and "WE" don't seem to understand that the cruise lines are a business that must show fiscal responsibility to their share holders. We have to remember that as beautiful or elegant these ships are or were, they are getting old far beyond what they were designed for and that to the cruise industry they are simply machines meant to do a job until they are to costly to operate, maintain, keep up to SOLAS or compete with the newer ships.

                  I don't know how to solve this problem and I truely do hate seeing these classic ships disappearing. But I do wish that if these ships have to be scrapped that the workers get a fair wage and are kept safe, and that the ships be properly decontaminated and the enviroment protected.

                  Enough of a rant. All for now.

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                  • Priyablue is not Bangladesh. If Mr S Mehta is not a "sweet man", he has one of the best plot in term of security at Alang* (as plot 2 for ex Indy who is certified for ISO 30 000). So no confusion about Alang; S. Mehta is not an slavery. He has the opportunity to have a low cost workers, he is competitive in term of price to dismantle a vessel.

                    We are absolutely unable to dismantle a such vessel in US, Europe because we are generating products that we are economically unable to treat after. Indy could have been dismantled in Europe but SC/NCL would have to pay a lot of cash for that.

                    Alang is not the Palm Beach of Cannes. It's not the worst place in the word to break a vessel in term of pollution, hazardous waste treatment, safety for workers. You can compare it with Turkey. Only a few old plot (less than 10), specialized in low tonnage vessel are still at a very low level.

                    *: Blue Lady was recycled without any severe injury as reported by the court dismantling report. True or false ....
                    Last edited by Lenkinap; March 7th, 2010, 21:22. Reason: Typo for ISO

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                    • Originally posted by Lenkinap View Post
                      Priyablue is not Bangladesh. If Mr S Mehta is not a "sweet man", he has one of the best plot in term of security at Alang* (as plot 2 for ex Indy who is certified for ISO 13000). So no confusion about Alang; S. Mehta is not an slavery. He has the opportunity to have a low cost workers, he is competitive in term of price to dismantle a vessel.

                      We are absolutely unable to dismantle a such vessel in US, Europe because we are generating products that we are economically unable to treat after. Indy could have been dismantled in Europe but SC/NCL would have to pay a lot of cash for that.

                      Alang is not the Palm Beach of Cannes. It's not the worst place in the word to break a vessel in term of pollution, hazardous waste treatment, safety for workers. You can compare it with Turkey. Only a few old plot (less than 10), specialized in low tonnage vessel are still at a very low level.

                      *: Blue Lady was recycled without any severe injury as reported by the court dismantling report. True or false ....

                      With regards to the Blue Lady, I wished that NCL had sold the ship while they had the chance to do, back in 1985 to 1989. Instead, NCL ran this ship into the ground. If they were unwilling to maintain the ship properly, then right thing to do was to sell her to another shipping company, and used the proceeds to construct a new build to compete with RCL Sovereign of the Seas.

                      The people in charge of NCL in the 1990's were foolish for not using their money (which they poured into the SS Norway) to build a new mega cruiseship to replace the SS Norway. The ship was over 30 years old, at the time. NCL certainly did not maintain the ship at the level of the QE2, as far as completely removing the last remaining steamplant for disel engines. If NCL had completely replaced the ships steamplant in the 1980's, the ship would still be around today. Star Cruises should have sold the SS Norway in 2000 to 2001. Not after the ship's steam engine blew up, ripping out the wall panels that contained a fairly large amount of asbestos on the lower decks. That alone made the ship a very tough sell for those who originally wanted her before the accident. An accident that should not have happened to begin with.
                      Last edited by redlinekid2; January 9th, 2010, 05:28.

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                      • But it was not done and to rebuild a power plant on an old hull is not realistic. Do not believe that QE2 was at a good level of maintenance. She used to have a severe leaking on the bow thruster ... and the last maintenance was without a needed dry docking (only a control of the hull, a derogation was given by the SC).

                        But it doesn't mean that S.Mehta is "a fan of classics" or is responsible of the demise of the Norway or Dubai responsible of the present situation of QE2. SC/NCL maybe for the Norway, but the age of the vessel mostly. It's the same for Indy, an hull, a machinery has a duration, an expected life and then we have to recycle the vessel. We have build theses structures, we should be able to recycle them without exploiting the poorest laborers. Are we? No ! So we are responsible, not S. Mehta....

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                        • Originally posted by Lenkinap View Post
                          But it was not done and to rebuild a power plant on an old hull is not realistic. Do not believe that QE2 was at a good level of maintenance. She used to have a severe leaking on the bow thruster ... and the last maintenance was without a needed dry docking (only a control of the hull, a derogation was given by the SC).

                          But it doesn't mean that S.Mehta is "a fan of classics" or is responsible of the demise of the Norway or Dubai responsible of the present situation of QE2. SC/NCL maybe for the Norway, but the age of the vessel mostly. It's the same for Indy, an hull, a machinery has a duration, an expected life and then we have to recycle the vessel. We have build theses structures, we should be able to recycle them without exploiting the poorest laborers. Are we? No ! So we are responsible, not S. Mehta....

                          Well,
                          NCL did remove the boilers from the forward engine room for disels back in the mid 1980s. They sould have done the same for the aft engine room as well. This was an era where to build a large cruise ship was out of the question. So they re-engined them, like the QE2 because it was cost perhibitive for Cunard to construct a replacement vessel.

                          If NCL had completely re-engined the SS Norway into the MS Norway, the ship would still be around today. Which meant that the crew wouldn't have to worry about an old steamplant that was ready to blowup at anytime.

                          In retrospect, NCL should have retired the SS Norway by the mid-1980's(Without replancing the boilers of the forward engine room) and construct a new build that would have incorporated interior ideas from the SS Norway. From there, NCL could have offered the SS Norway back to France so that they could restore the vessel to the SS France once again....
                          Last edited by redlinekid2; January 10th, 2010, 10:24.

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                          • It doesn't change the age of the structure.The QE2, with diesels engines, was withdrawn because the structure was getting old. It was welded hull, not riveted ...

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                            • Originally posted by Lenkinap View Post
                              It doesn't change the age of the structure.The QE2, with diesels engines, was withdrawn because the structure was getting old. It was welded hull, not riveted ...
                              The hull of the SS Norway was welded as well.

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                              • Of course and that's why a welded hull has a life expectancy much shorter than riveted hull, because ocean his not very gentle with such structure. When a riveted hull has some weakness signs, you can easily change a plate. When a welded hull is getting old, the whole structure is getting old.

                                That why a new power plant was unrealistic with the Norway and a Solas 2010 agreement was also not really realistic for the QE2. But a welded hull is lighter.

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