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    #16
    Originally posted by pakarang View Post
    You were right, according to this youtube-clip: the engines are still on board:
    ...
    My third post of this moment, a roller-blade trip through the empty ship from youtube:
    It must be a strange feeling to be on a abandoned ship...


    Best regards
    Eric

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      #17
      Originally posted by WhiteStarLine View Post
      It must be a strange feeling to be on a abandoned ship...

      Best regards
      Eric
      Not to veer too far off track but I was once on board the Finnmarken museum ship in Stokmarknes (Norway), and I was the ONLY person on board the whole entire ship. Kind of spooky I think.
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        #18
        New updates on Lady in Waiting!

        http://ssunitedstatesconservancy.org/SSUS/blog/
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          #19
          A recent press release:

          Historic American passenger ship at critical juncture
          Future of “ship of state” in question
          National flagship S.S. UNITED STATES to be listed for sale

          For Information, call Dan McSweeney, Director of Media Relations, at 202. 486. 1522; media@ssunitedstatesconservancy.org

          Washington, DC – February 10, 2009: The S.S. United States Conservancy (www.ssunitedstatesconservancy.org), a national non-profit organization working to preserve America’s flagship, has learned that the S.S. UNITED STATES will be sold by the ship’s current owner, Star Cruises. Star Cruises has provided no assurances that the historic vessel will not be sold for scrap.

          Norwegian Cruise Line, a subsidiary of Hong Kong-based Star Cruises, purchased the S.S. UNITED STATES in April, 2003 with the intent of returning her to service as part of NCL America, the Line’s U.S.-flagged fleet.

          NCL has maintained the ship on the Philadelphia waterfront since 2003. NCL’s U.S.-flagged brand has weathered recent financial setbacks, and its fleet has been reduced to a single vessel, the PRIDE OF AMERICA.

          The S.S. UNITED STATES shattered all transatlantic speed records on her maiden voyage in 1952 and to this day is, by a wide margin, the fastest passenger vessel ever built. The ship was listed on the National Register of Historic Places before the normal 50 year old requirement because of her “compelling national significance”. During her service career, she hosted heads of state, captains of industry, and "A list" celebrities. Her passenger lists included Presidents Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy, the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, Marilyn Monroe, Grace Kelly, Greta Garbo, Katherine Hepburn, John Wayne, Cary Grant, Errol Flynn, Marlon Brando, Leonard Bernstein and even Leonardo da Vinci’s masterpiece Mona Lisa, traveling first class in a specially designed container on her way home after an exhibition in the United States. Designed to be easily converted to a troop ship, she was a top-secret Cold War weapon able to transit the Panama Canal and transport 15,000 troops over 10,000 miles without refueling. She embodied the triumphant spirit of post-war "can do" America and was the subject of endless press coverage in her day. The S.S. UNITED STATES was our "ship of state" and national symbol in the 1950's and 60's. While bringing many thousands of immigrants to a new life in America, the ship traveled 2,770,884 nautical miles and never once was delayed because of mechanical failure.

          Given recent actions by the ship’s current owners and the current value of steel and aluminum, some fear the ship will be sold to dealers who will tow her overseas and sell her for scrap.

          “We must not let this national treasure fall into the wrong hands if she is sold,” said Conservancy President Susan Gibbs of Washington, DC, granddaughter of the vessel’s designer, William Francis Gibbs. “While we understand the challenges posed by the economic downturn, this ship must be saved. By converting the S.S. UNITED STATES into a hotel, museum and meeting space in New York, Philadelphia, or another major port city, we could give new life to a great symbol of American strength and resilience. The ship’s conversion would create many jobs and generate needed tax revenues. While the project is ambitious, we hope that a broad coalition of supporters will rally to save this national icon.”

          “We are mounting a major public awareness campaign to ‘Save our Ship,’” said Charles Anderson, a maritime attorney in New York City, whose father was the ship’s longest-serving Master. “We think it’s critical that all Americans, including members of Congress, civic and business leaders,
          and media representatives understand what is at stake here.

          Like the U.S.S. Constitution and the Spirit of Saint Louis, the S.S. UNITED STATES is part of a treasured heritage we cannot afford to lose. This ship represents an era of unprecedented optimism and confidence in our future as a nation, as well as a crowning achievement in American engineering and design. Our nation's flagship must be saved for future generations of Americans.”

          About the SS United States Conservancy: The SS United States Conservancy is a national organization dedicated to preserving the historic ocean liner, the S.S. UNITED STATES, America’s national flagship. The SS United States Conservancy has compiled a long track record of accomplishment, including co-sponsoring an hour-long documentary film, “SS United States: Lady in Waiting,” that has aired on public television nationwide. The Conservancy has produced exhibits and delivered educational seminars at a number of prominent maritime museums as well as developed the world’s largest audio-visual archive about the S.S. UNITED STATES. Members of the Conservancy’s Board of Directors, many of whom have direct ties to the S.S. UNITED STATES, have published articles, delivered lectures and presentations to large audiences throughout the nation, and remain deeply committed to ongoing research and advocacy on behalf of the S.S. UNITED STATES’ preservation.

          Since 2004, the Conservancy has been operating under the auspices of the SS United States Preservation Society, founded in 1992. The SS United States Preservation Society played a lead role in placing the S.S. UNITED STATES on the National Register of Historic Places based on its “compelling national significance” in 1999 and supported Congressional legislation to preserve the S.S. UNITED STATES back in 1992. The Conservancy recently relocated its national headquarters to Washington DC to expand its national outreach and advocacy efforts. For more information on the organization, visit www.ssunitedstatesconservancy.org or call (888488-7787.

          Summary: The imminent listing of the S.S. UNITED STATES for sale by Hong Kong-based Star Cruises will alarm many thousands of supporters of the great American passenger ship, for fear that she will be sold for scrap and destroyed. The fact that this vessel is our national flagship will likely motivate a massive public awareness campaign on behalf of a national treasure that should be preserved for its historic and cultural value. The ship could become the centerpiece of a large public works project that creates jobs and generates tax revenues.
          With best regards from Jan-Olav Storli

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            #20
            Dreams and hopes cast aside, how many people honestly thinks that the SS United States could be returned to passenger service?

            I'm not intending to stir an uproar, I would just like to hear what the public honestly thinks right now...

            Off course, we have no idea on her actual condition as most of us has not been on board and seen the conditions of all areas for ourselves, but the images beyond below link, may give you some idea:

            http://www.ss-united-states.net/SSUn...sInteriors.htm

            I'd like to spark a healthy - but polite - discussion on the viability of returning her to service...
            With best regards from Jan-Olav Storli

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              #21
              I really do not feel there is anything more than the smallest of chances of her surviving the next year or so, and if she does, im afraid to say that she will simply carry on sitting where she is now, slowly deteriorating even more.
              My reasons for thinking this are simple - the length of time she's been layed up, we all know the effects of leaving a vessel for such a long time without regular maintenance to keep on top of rust etc.
              Then we have the costs of just putting right 40 years of lay up. Tens of millions i should think for a vessel of her size. I think im right in thinking (please put me right if im wrong), that a great deal of her superstructure is aluminium?. That's very expensive to put right compared to a standard steel structure.
              Then we have the biggest cost by far, re-fitting her for some future role. Even if someone was to say 'ok', we will not try to replicate the original interior in anyway, the cost would still be hundreds of millions - even more if they wanted to put some originality back into her.

              Also, where on earth would all the money come from to do whats required to save her and return her to some sort of service? I do not know what it's like in the USA at the moment, but over here in England finances are far from good, half the banks have had to be bailed out by the government, businesses either going going bust or cutting back all over the place. I cannot see any real chance of all the necessary funds being found. Lets face it, she's sat still doing nothing through all the good financial years of the ninety's - back then the money could not be raised ro complete the job, so being realistic i feel there is no chance for her in the middle of a world recession. Star/NCL are struggling for cash at the moment - the SSUS is doing nothing but costing them money, I hate to think of how much it costs to berth something as big has her?, but it cannot be cheap. The SSUS will be sold off to the highest bidder, as simple as that.

              The infamous Mr Metha must have made an hansom sum of money for breaking up the Norway, and that was with all the hassle of dealing with all the toxic waste etc - all the 'micky mouse' court hearings etc. Just think, with the SSUS he will have none of those problems because someone else kindly paid to have all of that removed.

              Do not get me wrong, like you all i think and feel that it's only right that such an important piece of American (and world) maritime history should be saved. I would love to see her restored to her original glory - even if that only involved her exterior looks, but sadly i do not think the dream will ever come true.
              Your charts, your radar, your eyes and ears - if all 4 agree, you may proceed with caution.

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                #22
                Steve... thank you so much for writing that post: you put the word on exactly my thoughts.

                I do agree with you that I WISH, but reality is harsh and at this point in time, I think the highest bidder may very well be Mr. Metha.

                I think you are correct, all of her superstructure is alumnium and not steel.

                Having been a maintenance officer myself for many years on cruise ships, I do not think it is possible returning this ship to any kind of service unless bulkheads are replaced including all gutters, cabling, trunking, hull plates, windows, outdoor wooden decking (etc etc). The cost of doing all this would far outweigh any kind of new building.

                It's just my take on things..

                Thank you once again for voicing your opinions so nicely, I hope more members will take some time to do the same as I find it very interesting to listen to.
                With best regards from Jan-Olav Storli

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by pakarang View Post
                  Steve... thank you so much for writing that post: you put the word on exactly my thoughts.

                  I do agree with you that I WISH, but reality is harsh and at this point in time, I think the highest bidder may very well be Mr. Metha.

                  I think you are correct, all of her superstructure is alumnium and not steel.

                  Having been a maintenance officer myself for many years on cruise ships, I do not think it is possible returning this ship to any kind of service unless bulkheads are replaced including all gutters, cabling, trunking, hull plates, windows, outdoor wooden decking (etc etc). The cost of doing all this would far outweigh any kind of new building.

                  It's just my take on things..

                  Thank you once again for voicing your opinions so nicely, I hope more members will take some time to do the same as I find it very interesting to listen to.

                  The only real option for the ship is for it to be renovated into a static attraction, like the SS Rotterdam.

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                    #24
                    Ah, maybe the Big U won't see service again. But we can dream can't we!
                    Imagine a newly glistening Big U sat in New York Harbour once again, putting herself on show for all the world to marvel at. What kind of passion would that invoke in people!!
                    I honestly (thinking with my head), don't think we'll ever see this happen.
                    For my thinking Steve B, is absolutely accurate with his appraisal of Big U's fate.
                    As I said, we can can dream can't we.........
                    Infamy, Infamy.... They've got it in for me! Said The Laughing Assassin.

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                      #25
                      Coalition to Save the SS United States Conference Call Minutes
                      With best regards from Jan-Olav Storli

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                        #26
                        SS United States - Lady in Waiting

                        Did anyone see or buy this documentary yet?
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                          #27
                          Yes I flew to California for the world premiere which was held at the Cunard Line Blue Riband holder, the Queen Mary, now called Hotel Queen Mary.
                          During the days event we got to see the extras/deleted scenes which are just as good, but had to be cut for length purposes.

                          I highly recommend it for everyone. I think it should have been produced and made earlier, like when the ship was purchased by NCL, or better yet something like it when the ships interiors were still aboard before they were sold off in 1983/84, with uniforms still in the closets, and signs outside the lounge of what movie would be playing the evening of its 401st sailing. It of course never made it, but from 1969 to the early 80s all of its interiors were still intact like she could sail again.

                          Wherever you purchase the DVD I don't think you will regret it.

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                            #28
                            The trailer is really heart warming (gives me a tear in the corner of my eye)...

                            http://www.bigshipfilms.com/bsf_final/

                            How about the guy in the middle of this clip? "She looks like a big tug boat"
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by pakarang View Post
                              The trailer is really heart warming (gives me a tear in the corner of my eye)...

                              http://www.bigshipfilms.com/bsf_final/

                              How about the guy in the middle of this clip? "She looks like a big tug boat"
                              Tried ordering this DVD online but unfortunately, they do not ship to Norway. What a pity.

                              I guess some day soon, it'll be widely available other places.
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                                #30
                                I don't know if they ship to Canada but I'm sure someone in the US could order this DVD and ship it to you. I'm pretty sure you would be more than happy to reimburse whomever for the costs>

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