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  • #91
    Re: [S|S Norway] Questions about our lovely lady

    Originally posted by redlinekid2 View Post
    I wonder if the boiler explosion never happened would the ship still be sailing for another shipping company. Given what we now know about the cost of removing the asbestos onboard the SS Rotterdam, I no longer believe that the ship would have become a hotel attraction like its Dutch counterpart. This might have been the reason why the French Hotel company decided not to buy the SS Norway as the cost of just removing the asbestos would have exceed the renovation budget. Either way, it seemed that the Norway was doomed from the start. But who was to have known that the asbestos insulation would prevent the ship from becoming a static attraction in France?

    I will say that the Rotterdam is very lucky to still be around. I am so sad that the Norway isn't.

    I just hope that the Norway's sacrifice towards saving the Big U wasn't in vain as she is the only other major oceanliner left that was built for the North Atlantic, as far as the two stack funnel vessels are concerned.
    Dear Sir,

    That is an interesting question indeed... what we all can agree on, the Norway was not a money-maker in her final years, she was loaded with asbestos, and she was an old aging lady. No matter how much you and me, and thousands of others loved her, she was not financially safe to be renovated. She was neither economical for many more years of operation. Whether we like to accept it or not, during her final years in service, cabins were almost "given away"... because she simply could not compete with the modern super-ships in any way.

    She was out-dated... It pains me to acknowledge that, because I truly loved her very, very, very much, and adored her style, grace and history. But, the matter of the fact was, she could not compete.

    I think, if the boilers hadn't caved in as they did, she would probably not survive till this day anyway... (until 2012 I mean). Perhaps she would still be with us, in service, perhaps not... we will never know.

    But, what I wish, and think would have been "smart" of Norwegian Cruise Line is that they should have arranged a "proper and respectful" send away... a final blast, a final tribute to the ship that changed the world of cruising. Then again, they could probably not do that because of the .... you said it, the asbestos question. The departure from lay up in Europe to Malaysia was a one-way ticket to the scrappers, and the only way it coul be done without the interference of BASEL, was in as much silence as possible.

    The tow out from Miami though, could have been done in much more grand style and respect... as a thank you to her legacy and service. Instead she was towed to sea like an injured "beast".

    Additionally, a lot of her interiors and artwork, should have been taken off the ship and USED IN A FUTURE new-build! One of the new ships of their fleet, should have adopted her name, and have been designed with elements and solutions and ideas from the Norway... a new ship with her name, her style and grace, and filled with all those beautiful things we remember from the ship: the statues of Club International, the light fixtures from France, the giant letters, the funnel design, the shape of the ship... the streets and .... yes, I think you understand what I mean.
    With best regards from Jan-Olav Storli

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    • #92
      Re: [S|S Norway] Questions about our lovely lady

      Hi Jan-Olav,
      I enjoyed reading your assessment on the ship. It pains me that I never got the chance to sail onboard her. In retrospect, I feel that NCL should have replaced her remaining 4-Boilers for diesels instead of those upperdecks in 1990. Next, NCL should gutted all of the Norway's passenger cabins and combine 2 or 3 of them to form one large deluxe cabin that could rival those of a 4-Star hotel. This also include a complete overhaul of the plumbing and electrical systems. While the end result would have been a reduction of the number of cabins to around 300 to 400 deluxe staterooms, that might have made the ship hold its ground against the modern vessels of today. While the disadvantage would be no balconies, it would more than make up in cabin space and amenities. I felt that NCL should have turned the SS Norway from a mass market vessel into a highend deluxe luxury cruise ship that would cruise in Europe and Asia, like Crystal Cruises does with their ships for example. I think that the SS Norway would still be sailing if NCL had followed some of the suggestions that I have talked about. It might have even become a hotel ship since the renovated cabins would more than satisfy a potential buyer for the ship.

      The only reason why the QE2 is still around was mainly because Cunard removed the ship's boilers in 1986. Otherwise, it would have joined the SS Canberra at the scrapyard by now, before or after.

      The SS United States got lucky when they removed all of the ship's asbestos in Ukraine in the 1990's. A process that the ship could not be allowed to get away with today under current laws.

      From 1999 to today, I have wanted to see a few of the classic oceanliners become hotel ships. Out of the countless ships that I wanted to see get saved, only the SS Rotterdam and the MS Mona Lisa made it towards that goal, with the QE2 and the Big U still pending for its very survival.

      As for the SS Oceanic and the MS Saga Ruby, I can only hope as these are the last ships that are left that has great potential as a hotel ship given their long history. While it was reported that the Oceanic was sold to a Chinese shipbreaker, I have not seen the ship appear on any official list of ships that were sold for scrap. Thus I will assume that the ship will be put to use as a hotel and casino ship in China.

      Does the Saga Ruby have any known asbestos onboard considering that the ship was built in the early 1970's at a time when ship building companies stop using asbestos as an insulation for fire protection?
      Last edited by redlinekid2; December 4th, 2012, 06:31.

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      • #93
        Re: [S|S Norway] Questions about our lovely lady

        I have a question.... and I would be extremely happy if someone could enlighten me, because, I'm not a 100% sure.... (due to memory loss perhaps)....

        "Barkassa" - Lifeboats number 3 and 4 ....

        The "original" lifeboat 3 and 4 was taken off the ship in the April 1999 dry-dock, and replaced by liferafts.

        Rumors have it that they - or one of them - were sold/taken to Namsos.

        Rumors also have it that one of them might be somewhere in Drøbak / Moss area....

        What I want to know, and would very much like to see, is a photograph and/or hear the rest of the story.

        Additionally, I have another question.... lifeboat 3 and 4, are they original from the SS France?

        I've seen images of these boats in France images, and they look "different"...

        Were these two boats from the Norway-periode, made for the Norway?
        With best regards from Jan-Olav Storli

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        • #94
          Re: [S|S Norway] Questions about our lovely lady

          Originally posted by pakarang View Post
          I have a question.... and I would be extremely happy if someone could enlighten me, because, I'm not a 100% sure.... (due to memory loss perhaps)....

          "Barkassa" - Lifeboats number 3 and 4 ....

          The "original" lifeboat 3 and 4 was taken off the ship in the April 1999 dry-dock, and replaced by liferafts.

          Rumors have it that they - or one of them - were sold/taken to Namsos.

          Rumors also have it that one of them might be somewhere in Drøbak / Moss area....

          What I want to know, and would very much like to see, is a photograph and/or hear the rest of the story.

          Additionally, I have another question.... lifeboat 3 and 4, are they original from the SS France?

          I've seen images of these boats in France images, and they look "different"...

          Were these two boats from the Norway-periode, made for the Norway?
          I have not the answer to your second question but for the french part of the boat www.frenchlines.com is an interresting reference.

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