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  • Seagull
    started a topic ex HARALD JARL ::: ex ANDREA ::: SERENISSIMA :::

    ex HARALD JARL ::: ex ANDREA ::: SERENISSIMA :::

    This is a continuation of the thread from the old forum:
    http://captainsvoyage.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=368

  • nari
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    Very funny ombugge.....!

  • ombugge
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    You mean; "I have never been confused at sea"??
    In that case you are lucky

  • nari
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    I have met quite a few experienced Captains and officers who always referred to these seas as "confused". I still think it is quite appropriate! I have never been on a ship with stabilisers (and I have been on quite a few in the 1950s and 60s) and I suspect it takes a bit of fun out of being on a confused sea!!

  • Ralf__
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    Such a delight to follow this discussion. And a nice explanation: "we use them if we have the time". For Clipper and me it would probably embarrasing, because it would spoil our "roll-pitch-roll-yaw-shimmy" predictions. I will never forget that night, when the Lofoten decks were also closed for the public, but i was anyway outside at Lofoten's deck three, fixed with both legs in a corner and enjoying the waves... and then returning to the Panorama Lounge again. Thank you, mate, for reminding me!

  • Clipper
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    Thank you Cecilia for answering the long-outstanding questions about the stabilisers.

    Originally posted by Seagull View Post
    As for effectiveness - I was quoted "a 20-30% improvement".
    Excellent that someone was prepared to offer some sort of quantification.

    Originally posted by Seagull View Post
    Then I realised that, probably without stabilisers, I was experiencing something for the first time in my Serenissima voyages - the particular motion Harald Jarl used to have that Clipper has described as "the old roll-pitch-roll-yaw-shimmy"! Wow, she's remembered how to do it , In a geeky sort of way it was almost a highlight of my voyage!!!!!
    Ha! So pleased to hear this wonderful news! I spent most of one sleepless night in the Panorama Lounge learning the "roll-pitch-roll-yaw-shimmy" pattern and trying to predict the next move in the cycle. I got pretty good at it though sometimes HJ would roll upright, wait for the next apogee in pitch, then roll back in the same direction instead of the opposite direction. That would break the pattern and it took a short while to re-establish itself. The "shimmy" was an engine/prop/rudder vibration which was manifest only at certain parts of the cycle. It seemed to kick in whenever roll, pitch and yaw were having a little rest.

    I love that old ship and would dearly like to get back aboard one day.

    Thank you again.

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  • Seagull
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    Yes good excuses to go on another cruise now that I've answered Ralf and Clipper's original queries!

  • pakarang
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    Loved the images and thank you for your investigative report on the stabilisers use on board.

    The geeky side of me would have loved to know the length width and weight of the stabilisers and perhaps even more technical aspects. I can't believe I didn't ask so much about them when I was on board. Maybe I did, but my memory is really bad. Being just a 80-meter long ship, with a rather round hull, she is perhaps too small for stabilizers in many conditions?

    I'm sure a lot of technical engineers have run a lot of calculations on their size, effectiveness, and responsiveness.

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  • Seagull
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    During this particular cruise, we encountered two rough sea situations where stabilisers would not be so effective. One was during the day, a scheduled "at sea" afternoon between Syracuse in Sicily and the Greek island of Kefalonia, with a strong wind in one direction - typical of parts of the Adriatic and eastern Mediterranean at this time of year. Even a lecture had to be cancelled! No going out on deck, but I did manage to take some photos from the cabin porthole.













    The other rough situation was during the first night on the ship, going from Barcelona to Sanary- sur-Mer on the French coast. I was woken when something of D's fell on the floor, and was surprised that the motion of the ship seemed greater than a weather announcement the previous evening might have suggested. For sure the ship was pitching rather a lot, but the waves didn't seem particularly high. Then I realised that, probably without stabilisers, I was experiencing something for the first time in my Serenissima voyages - the particular motion Harald Jarl used to have that Clipper has described as "the old roll-pitch-roll-yaw-shimmy"! Wow, she's remembered how to do it , In a geeky sort of way it was almost a highlight of my voyage!!!!!

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  • Seagull
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    As you may have seen in the thread "Seagull away a while..." (#432 and #438), I have, recently and unexpectedly, accompanied D on a cruise aboard Serenissima, sailing from Barcelona to Bari in the Puglia region of Italy. I haven't even looked at all my photos yet, but before attemping a 'photos of and from the ship' type of trip report, there is a general topic that many of you are eager to hear more about - the stabilisers.

    Although the Captain was the same as on my previous two cruises, other deck officers were new to me. I'm still unsure who may actually have been new to the ship or whether the shifts of the Captain and others sometimes get out of phase. (This captain will now have his 4-months off, and it will be the other captain who will take the ship for her Indian Ocean season this winter).

    So me getting to know them, and they my special interest in the ship, perhaps slowed down my 'stabiliser fact-finding mission' - though I had various discussions and conclusions which I'll attempt to put together and summarise. But the short answer is that they are very pleased with them!

    In asking individuals how often and in what circumstances the stabilisers have typically been deployed, the length of their experience on the ship clearly influences their answer, as well as where they have sailed on her. Unlike a ship solely in Hurtigruten service along the Norwegian coast, Serenissima has, as you know, travelled the world in areas as diverse as the Arctic, the Baltic, the Mediterranean, the Atlantic ...and challenging crossings of the North Sea were mentioned! So although I heard of the stabilisers being deployed "two or three times during a cruise", the more overall view is that "in some areas they can be used most days".

    As for effectiveness - I was quoted "a 20-30% improvement".

    So they are generally used quite regularly, with guest comfort the top consideration - e.g. at night and during mealtimes. The proviso is "if there is time" because their use will slow down the ship.



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  • pakarang
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    Naturally, a Panama Canal transit for me was a lot of work - first we had attend transit-planning meeting(s) in the days ahead, then we had to be up way before the pilot boarded early in the morning (mostly way before any birds got out of their nests farting /sunrise), then it was extremely long stand-by's and overlooking gangways, boarding parties, lines men, navigation, clearance (customs and immigration) and all that.

    These were extremely long days - and I did the canal for the first time as a deckhand, and finally as a Chief Officer Safety and Security.

    But - despite the long days, the canal was still as great as the best days of my life!

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  • Seagull
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    I was thinking a LOT about you on the Panama Canal, Pakarang - indeed, as I watched our 'canal-mate' Rotterdam I was also thinking about your different experiences of the canal on bigger ships. Smaller is amazing, and it is hard for me to imagine not being able to scamper around the decks, up and down, fore and aft, taking in all the views and experiences - I must have walked miles that day! Perhaps the only teeny advantage some guests on the Rotterdam may have had would have been the possibility of observing traffic in the new parallel Canal Expansion in some locations. But of course I had anticipated that and had taken the excursion to see it.


    Thank you so much all of you who have enjoyed this voyage. Mark, your lovely comment really touched me. ..but it may not be completely over, as there are many photos taken away from the coast on excursions that haven't appeared here on the ships thread. Animals and plants in the various nature reserves for example.

    But there is one excursion in particular - Day 3, that I would have already posted on the forum in the last couple of weeks had some computer issues not intervened. Puerto Chiapas in southern Mexico is very close to the offshore epicentre of the earthquakes that you will all have heard about in the news. As is often the case with earthquakes it is places further away that can be more affected, particularly amongst the buildings of larger towns and cities, and as far as I have been able to ascertain the local rural community around the banana plantation I visited are ok. I do intend to share with you the special experience of meeting the children at their school who have been much in my thoughts at what must have been a difficult time.

    I suppose it is only human nature that, when hearing of news of disasters and seeing reports in the media, it is those in places we have been that we feel most connection with and concern about. I have been very aware of that in the context of this voyage, for Serenissima, prior to returning to European waters, continued her travels to visit many islands in the Caribbean - places i have never been - that have since been affected, and in some cases devastated, by the series of hurricanes.

    Merely a day or so before all this news broke, a brochure of Serenissima's future plans for the winter season 2018/19 had arrived, and those itineraries include a Panama Canal crossing, thus taking in a return to some of the ports and places on the Pacific coast of Central American that I have featured here, as well as some Caribbean destinations. Perhaps fortunately, Serenissima is heading in a different direction this winter to the Indian Ocean.

    As I left the ship and took that last moody image at the port at Colón that February morning it seemed like a goodbye. I had no further booking in place, no plans for the future.
    But things happen…
    ...so keep an eye on that "Seagull Away a While" thread. Soon, very soon! ...like eh, how about SATURDAY!!!!

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  • pakarang
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    I find it overwhelmingly interesting and super-romantic that a coastal steamer from the cold coasts of Norway - a FORMER coastal steamer that is - has also sailed through the Panama Canal.

    I have crossed the canal back and forth more times than I have fingers and toes, but NEVER on a small ship as this.

    One thing that was also great to see is that you got down to the lowest open deck, and take a photo. This is something you just can't do on any of the (larger) cruise ships!

    Thank you so much for the PC-update!

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  • Clipper
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    Aha, transit markers! That makes sense, though I'm disappointed my guess wasn't correct. (It's an ego thing but I'm nearly over it already).

  • PoloUK
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    Thanks for taking us with you Cecilia. This has been a remarkable series of photos, with the traditionally superb quality Seagull story telling. Sorry it's over!

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