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  • Re: ex HARALD JARL ::: ANDREA :::

    The auction will be held on the 21st February, at 9 o'clock in the commercial court in Split. Someone who has a little bit money left?

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    • Re: ex HARALD JARL ::: ANDREA :::

      Any who knows what the outcome of the auction was? I actually thought it was on the 25th of February. Very curious if and to whom the ships has been sold.

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      • Re: ex HARALD JARL ::: ANDREA :::

        Originally posted by Kristinehannon View Post
        Any who knows what the outcome of the auction was? I actually thought it was on the 25th of February. Very curious if and to whom the ships has been sold.
        I would be very curious to hear about the outcome as well....
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        • Re: ex HARALD JARL ::: ANDREA :::

          Just to inform everyone: MS Andrea has been sold for 1.013.040 CHF (app 840.000 euros) during the auction in Split on the 21th of February to a company called PREMIER CRUISES LIMITED,Trident Chambers, P.O.Box 146, Road Town, Tertola, British Virgin Islands. Has anyone ever heard of this company? No information at all of it on the internet. Strange...

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          • Re: ex HARALD JARL ::: ANDREA :::

            Originally posted by Kristinehannon View Post
            Just to inform everyone: MS Andrea has been sold for 1.013.040 CHF (app 840.000 euros) during the auction in Split on the 21th of February to a company called PREMIER CRUISES LIMITED,Trident Chambers, P.O.Box 146, Road Town, Tertola, British Virgin Islands. Has anyone ever heard of this company? No information at all of it on the internet. Strange...
            Oh.... a cruise venture in the start up process that we have not heard of before.... interesting!
            With best regards from Jan-Olav Storli

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            • Re: ex HARALD JARL ::: ANDREA :::

              I came across some cruise company with quite similar names while browsing on web.

              This is from wikipedia

              http://www.google.no/url?sa=t&rct=j&...wbgEde4Pl5ns3w

              Quite interesting to read.

              "Premier Cruise Line" started in 1983 by a cruise-veteran with a very Norwegian-like name Bjørnar Hermansen

              In 1990 "Premier Cruises" started. Originally started as "Cruise Holdings Ltd" by shippingentrepeneur with also a Norwegian-like name Kristian Stensby

              The focus for this cruise company was on family cruise marked as well as on developing cruise-operations in new geographic markets.

              The company`s buisiness focos was to ECQUIRE OLDER CRUISE VESSELS, refurbish these vessels in order to offer "TRADITIONAL CRUISE EXPERIENCES"

              Kristian Stensby left the company in 1997. And "Premier Cruises" went Bankruptcy in 2000.

              SO........

              The BIG Q here: Is it possible that there is a connection here. ???????

              Is it possible that Andrea / Harald Jarl can give a new beginning for this company?????

              And is it possible that even some norwegian interests and cruise veterans are standing behind??????????


              I am maybee on veeeery deep water here. But I became very curious when I found this Wikipedia-article....

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              • Re: ex HARALD JARL ::: ANDREA :::

                Friends, i don't know.... look which companies have a residence under the same adress:

                http://www.tridenttrust.com/jurisdic...companies.html
                http://www.fesco.ru/en/about/subsidi...nd-affiliated/
                http://www.playtech.com/html/page/pl...ated-advisers/

                Checking out the place on Google Earth shows a small town with small houses and cottages, it seems, they all have just a post box here.
                I guess they will just make more money out of her, i don't see any concept for a cruise business. How much would have been a scrappers bid, maybe from turkey?
                Lofoten '07 ...... Nordnorge '11

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                • Re: ex HARALD JARL ::: ANDREA :::

                  Originally posted by Ralf__ View Post
                  Friends, i don't know.... look which companies have a residence under the same adress:

                  http://www.tridenttrust.com/jurisdic...companies.html
                  http://www.fesco.ru/en/about/subsidi...nd-affiliated/
                  http://www.playtech.com/html/page/pl...ated-advisers/

                  Checking out the place on Google Earth shows a small town with small houses and cottages, it seems, they all have just a post box here.
                  I guess they will just make more money out of her, i don't see any concept for a cruise business. How much would have been a scrappers bid, maybe from turkey?
                  British Virgin Islands and a P.O. Box address is no surprise. This is a well known "tax haven" and a popular place to register ship OWNING companies. (Not ships) It is still a British Colony and British Laws applies there.

                  That there are a number of other companies at the same address is also not a surprise. It is probably a Lawyer's office.
                  (The address; 80 Broad Street, Monrovia, Liberia was the "home" to companies owning a fleet of ships larger than the Norwegian fleet, each with their own "pidgin hole" in that building)

                  The price quoted (840K Euro) is within what a scrap dealer MAY offer, but I somehow don't think a scrap dealer, or a direct scrapyard, would bothered with using a name like Premier Cruises Ltd. to purchase the ship and/or for registering her for her final voyage.

                  I would NOT be surprised if some Norwegian interests are behind the purchase, and that the have some future cruising plans for her.
                  We shall know soon.

                  PS> The Actual site of the Liberian Ship and Company register is in Vienna, Virginia, USA, and is a privately held company.
                  Last edited by ombugge; February 29th, 2012, 12:21.

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                  • Re: ex HARALD JARL ::: ANDREA :::

                    I had found the wikipedia article as well, but as this company went bankrupt in 2000 it is unlikely that it is the same one. What the British Virgin Island address is concerned, this Trident Trust company offers offshore company setup and ship registration. Meaning that they do all the paper and administration work, setting up the company and managing. Emails, mail etc to the actual owners of the ship is send to the Trident Trust and they dispurse it to the person for whom the documents are. They appoint a third party director or a director from the trust company. That way, the actual owner is not really involved and does not have to declare to the government of the country he lives in (as you normally have to do). All in all, for tax purposes of course.
                    Strange thing is also that the other two companies on the same BVI address mentioned in ombugge's post (tesco and playtech) do have an own company website and head office address or other addresses which Premier Cruises Ltd does not have at all. Apart form the Trident Trust link, nothing much found about this company on the whole world wide web.
                    That is strange if it would be a real cruising company - even in setup stage - not to have anything up on the net yet to advertise future cruises/plans/business. If it would be that they are starting up this company, it would be logical to do some advertisement already or at least have a start of a company website. How will they get costumers otherwise?
                    I did find this site http://www.cdrex.com/premier-cruises-ltd-3113931.html a company data site. I have checked the names of the 2 directors (Lauren Wood and Wendy Hillman) all I could find is 'Business check' site where you can buy documents about the company. But nothing else. This company seems to be founded in 2007 and has a UK address, so very strange there is no website or anything at all. A 'cruise' company without cruising activity, no other ship(s) since the founding in 2007?? Maybe it is not the same company after all.
                    Lots of questions....

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                    • Re: ex HARALD JARL ::: ANDREA :::

                      We will see, how that is working out. Thank you, Ombugge, for explaining some facts. If the owners want to do some business we will see her again, either in a new brushure or in a ship broker catalogue. If the paid price is about her scrap worth, we don't have to fear that she will disappear soon. So maybe that is good news.
                      How can we watch her and figure out when her AIS signal is switched on again, which will as soon as she moves?

                      Any news about the second ship, the Monet?
                      Lofoten '07 ...... Nordnorge '11

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                      • Re: ex HARALD JARL ::: ANDREA :::

                        Another thing: the third director is Steward Colin Hillman, most probably the husband of Wendy Hillman. He has another company on the same UK address named Steward Hillman Limited. Founded in 2003 and doing accounting, book keeping and tax consultancy. http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/909159981
                        Premier Cruises Ltd is there listed as ACTIVITIES OF TOUR TRAVEL, AGENTS ORGANISERS AND GUIDES and also cruise consultant http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/909159981
                        I still find it so strange that BOTH these companies have no website or anything, even not a phone number. I checked on google and the company address is a small semi-detached workman's house (with the small red car in the front) with nothing that shows it would be a company address.

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                        • Re: ex HARALD JARL ::: ANDREA :::

                          Not surprised that Premier Cruises doesn't have a web site. Thousands of companies in Tax havens and other places are without.

                          They have ample time to start one, either with the same name or any other, before she is ready to start cruising. (Finalizing sale and upgrading may take several months)

                          Please also remember that the "Owner" and the "Operator" of many, if not most, Cruise ships does NOT have the same name. In most cases the registered "Owner" is a "one ship company" in a tax haven, the flag registration is another and the Operator is in a third country.

                          In many case the declared HQ of the Operator is in another Tax haven, or in some "friendly" places like Switzerland, Luxembourg, Lichtenstein, Cayman Islands or Gibraltar, while their actual place of operation is in an entirely different place.

                          Nothing in the Cruising, Shipping or Offshore business is as simple as you may think.

                          PS> The names you are quoting is probably "directors" in name only. (Maybe the owners and/or staff at the Company in BVI who offer the registration service)
                          Last edited by ombugge; February 29th, 2012, 17:51.

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                          • Re: ex HARALD JARL ::: ANDREA :::

                            It is INDEED difficult to navigate safely, and find "opdated charts" in this office-areas...........

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                            • Re: ex HARALD JARL ::: ANDREA :::

                              Thank you all for finding so much info, dear friends! Now I can start breathing again, secure that she won't be scrapped for a while yet!
                              Really mystified by what those guys have up their sleeve, fearing the worst. Maybe something like what happened to 'Kong Olav'...
                              Last edited by HARALD JARL; February 29th, 2012, 18:39.

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                              • Re: ex HARALD JARL ::: ANDREA :::

                                If "Andrea-Harald Jarl" will be scrapped, or disappear, or other bad things, I am VERY happy that we have a strong living HARALD JARL among us aboard CVF.

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