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    I guess most of you have now already heard the GREAT news: Hurtigruten is planning to build some new ships in Norway.

    They have right now contacted several shipyards in Norway.
    With best regards from Jan-Olav Storli

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    • ombugge
      ombugge commented
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      Under EU Rules they would have to go wider than just Norwegian yards. Probably with an open tender to all pre-qualified yards in Europe.
      Commercially, they may also want to look at Asian yards as well.

    • PoloUK
      PoloUK commented
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      Why Ombugge? They're not a government organisation - OJEU rules wouldn't apply.

    • ombugge
      ombugge commented
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      Although Norway is not part of the Union is is part of the Free Market and thus has to allow free competition for contracts, ownership and even for services and workers. I.e. if a yard in Europe has the capabilities and capacity to build a Hurtigrute they can try to be technically approved to bid for the work. That doesn't mean that they will be qualified and invited to bid, but if they do and have the lowest offer it is going to be hard to convince the people with the money bag to go for another option. That is at least how it works in these parts.
      Isn't this OJEU-thing something for government contracts, or am I too removed from the workings of EU? I'm sure you come up against this on a daily basis when it comes to bid for railway work?

    Yes, OJEU is for government procurement.

    Private procurement is not subject to the same rules. If I had £100M (I don't) and I wanted to have a boat built (I do), I wouldn't have to go to open tender, I could just go to a shipyard of my choice and ask them to build my new superyacht. Yes, of course, I'd probably want to go to one or two shipyards that I knew could do the work, but I wouldn't have to tell the world that I was thinking of buying my boat.

    Even in the public procurement world, it's normal to score bid responses based on several criteria - so technical capability, compliance, cost etc. The way that these are mixed together to give an overall score can vary from tender to tender, but its certainly possible / likely that a tender that costs more up front, but offers a better product, a lower whole life cost or other distinct benefits could easily score higher in the tender evaluation than the cheapest one.
    Cheers,

    Mark.

    www.pologlover.co.uk

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    • Clipper
      Clipper commented
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      Mmm, interesting case.

      The company could hardly be accused of acting unfairly by opting for an expensive procurement strategy. Issuing the ITT more broadly could only bring the price down.

      But on the other side of the coin, there's the subsidy issue. Is H' ASA a quango?
      Last edited by Clipper; August 22nd, 2015, 23:54.

    • ombugge
      ombugge commented
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      Do we know how far into the tender process they are, nor how wide the ITT has been spread, if at all? Maybe they are just making enquires, before even starting a formal tender process?

      Or they could already have done a much wider spread "interest to tender" exercise, based on which a selection of yards have been shortlist to receive the tender documents and a formal "invitation to tender".

      Working for a large European Oil Company (no name) in Indonesia, that was the order at which a tender exercise was done, with min. three tenders required to go ahead. The tenders had to be delivered in two envelopes, one with the technical specs and the other the financial bid.
      Only if technical aspect was accepted would the financial envelope be opened and the Tender Comity (Finance people & Accountants) would make the final decision, which usually would favour lowest bidder. Any technical explanation of prose and cons were normally ignored.
      Invariably we would get the lousiest solution from a technical point of view, but to avoid a lengthy re-tender process, we tried to technically accept three bids. Direct selection was VERY hard to get approved, unless there were no acceptable bids at all.

      I don't say that is how it is handled by Hurtigruten, only that in big organizations the tender process is not always the best.

    • Clipper
      Clipper commented
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      In the same vein ...

      Without naming the organisations concerned, I used to act on occasions in a Customer's Friend role, involving the preparation of ITTs.

      For a major procurement, putting the Tender Pack together was a large collaborative exercise in its own right.

      At its most comprehensive, a Tender Pack might comprise :

      * Formal Invitation to Tender (letter)
      * Timetable of key events/dates
      * Summary of Requirements
      * Contacts/addresses
      * QA Standards
      * Other bits ...
      * Four technical/management documents :
      -- Statement of Technical Requirements (STR)
      -- Statement of Management Requirements (SMR)
      -- Statement of Technical Information Required (STIR)
      -- Statement of Management Information Required (SMIR)

      All four annexes were typically included only for very large projects where production/delivery of goods was preceded by significant design/development activity.

      As the titles imply, the STR/SMR stated what was to be delivered and how (in broad terms) the design/production process was to be managed/reported. These could be very large documents.

      The purpose of the STIR/SMIR is less obvious. These documents specified the required format of tenderers' responses to the STR/SMR, thus making the Assessors job simpler - ideally, all tenders would be identically structured.

      All that was many years ago. It's probably changed many times over since then.

    Interesting discussions and opinions above!

    As far as I know, from the local papers here, Hurtigruten ASA sent out invitations to Norwegian yards just before the summer.

    Noryards at Rissa, which built the last Hurtigrute (Midnatsol), said they have received the communication but would not discuss if they are interested or will make a bid for the building.
    With best regards from Jan-Olav Storli

    Administrator and Owner of CaptainsVoyage.
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      On an unrelated issue, but regarding tendering and contracts, we learned this week that the BBC has not renewed its contract with the Met Office.
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34031785

      However, and perhaps more relevant to our maritime interests on the forum, this won't affect the shipping forecast:-
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/scie...-contract.html

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        Polarlys, Nordkapp, Nordnorge and Kong Harald will get new interiours during 2016:
        http://www.vg.no/forbruker/reise/hur...re/a/23517479/

        Personally I don't know what to think. The current interiors are of such high class so they can stand for themselves yet another 20 years. Perhaps some of them are getting a bit worn and torn and needs some touch up. There are a lot nice designs among the sketches, but I have a bit hard to appreciate that "lodge feeling" on board a ship. Some of those proposals do look more "scandinavian" than "norwegian". Clearly inspired by the temporary style of IKEA, and Viking Grace, for example the cabins. Some areas onboard the Nordkapp and Nordnorge are today a bit "empty looking", so perhaps the final result will be an improvement.
        But lodges...

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        • ombugge
          ombugge commented
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          I hope those rugs have non-skid underside and hole for the furniture lashings, just in case it should get a little rough around Stad, or in the Finnmark coast.
          Or is the intention to seek shelter, or cancel part of the route, whenever the weather is not "touristy"??

          There appears to have been a lot more of the last with the large ships with thrusters in all ends than it used to be with the old "slingrebaljene", with a single screw and an anchor to help when docking/ un-docking in all kinds of weather.

        • Tommi
          Tommi commented
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          I think that they won't be using "real" rugs, instead it will be a normal ship mat with a rug pattern integrated to the "wooden" laminate floor.

        • Ralf__
          Ralf__ commented
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          The current design is a ship's design, while you can always discuss about taste and style.
          But the shown proposals for the public rooms can also be located in a hotel, a Starbucks cafe, a shopping mall or a restaurant.
          I miss the ship atmosphere a lot and hope, they will not plan something like this.

          On the other hand i would appreciate the new cabin style, especially the kingsize double beds. It is rather nicer to share a real bed with your partner than to sleep separated during a dream cruise, isn't it??

        Then it is official, MS Spitsbergen is the name: http://www.smp.no/nyheter/article11519641.ece#cxrecs_s

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        • Clipper
          Clipper commented
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          Wow! Didn't see that one coming, but cool nevertheless.

        The new building for Hurtigruten.... could they be anything like this proposal?

        http://www.cruiseandferry.net/articl...p#.VfFj-3unBPR
        With best regards from Jan-Olav Storli

        Administrator and Owner of CaptainsVoyage.
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        • Clipper
          Clipper commented
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          Looks and sounds expensive!

        Good news! Free water in the restaurant is returning as of 1/1/16 :-)

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        • Ralf__
          Ralf__ commented
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          Hahaha! The water deal. What will then all the different forums have left to discuss about?
          I bet the management was intelligent enough to hide the water costs in the cruise price...

        It doesn't say which ship, so this will come under category "comment".
        A comment by an American couple after a round trip on Hurtigruten as posted in Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...31443204650666
        Rather brief and simple.

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        • yvneac
          yvneac commented
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          Of course English is the world language.And I don't mind,it is not a problem.The thing is that even if it is (more or less) speaking all over, it is not a reason to refuse to learn another language that is a appropriate way to discover another culture not only to order a beer when travelling in another country.
          As for me when I am in a non-francophone country, I :1) say hello in the language of this country, 2) say désolé je ne parle pas votre langue, parlez vous Français? 3)say, anyway I can try to speak English.

        • Tommi
          Tommi commented
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          I thought they spoke American over there?

        • ombugge
          ombugge commented
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          There are as many type of "American", as there are dialects in Sweden.
          The first time I visited New Orleans (1962) I thought the mostly black Stevedores were speaking in some sort of "African" language.

          Why don't most Americans and Brits learn to speak any other languages? Because most places the go there are people speaking some sort of English.
          On a rig in Indonesia an American, referring to a Indonesian boat Skipper that couldn't understand him, stated; "Goddamned foreigners, why can't they learn how to speak English"??? I pointed out that HE was the foreigner here; "why don't you learn how to speak Indonesian"??

        Today's comment to Hurtigruten's lack of considerations for their passengers: http://www.smp.no/nyheter/2015/10/03...a-11641938.ece
        That two Chinese who cannot be reach by SMS and do not know how to find, (or read?) messages posted on the website should be within the capabilities of Hurtigruten to deduct. Looking at the names of the pax they should have been able to guess so.

        Obviously the Agent in Aalesund had been informed. To request them to send someone down on the wharf to inform booked pax of the cancellation should not be a problem since there would have had to be people there if the ship had been able to call.

        Another question is; why is a ship like Finnmarken - with all kinds of fancy facilities - unable to call at a port like Aalesund in just about any conditions?? Prestebrygga is not exposed and, if necessary, there are other options in Aalesund.
        Lofoten would have had no problem. She may have had to go "wrong" side alongside, depending on wind direction, but she would have got there and loaded/discharged her cargo as well.
        She have been able to do so for 52 years.

        It appears that Hurtigruten has become too much of a Cruise Line and no longer consider their main purpose to be important.

        PS> When is the next time negotiations with the Government for subsidies is due??
        Last edited by ombugge; October 10th, 2015, 14:02.

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          Any better??: http://www.smp.no/nyheter/2015/10/10...a-11668107.ece

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            There is no shortage of articles about Hurtigruten in American media: http://www.stltoday.com/travel/artic...15afa1eb8.html
            Free advertising for Hurtigruten??

            Catching King crab through a hole in the ice is news to me. Is that how they do it in Varanger during the winter??

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              Originally posted by pakarang View Post
              As far as I know, from the local papers here, Hurtigruten ASA sent out invitations to Norwegian yards just before the summer.
              Noryards at Rissa, which built the last Hurtigrute (Midnatsol), said they have received the communication but would not discuss if they are interested or will make a bid for the building.
              Latest developments:
              http://www.nord24.no/hurtigruten/tro...-32-45804?null

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                Looks good to me. I know that some of my CVF friends won't like the change, but to me it looks fresh and unfussy. Probably rather easier to maintain as well. The rest of the article is pretty positive too.
                Cheers,

                Mark.

                www.pologlover.co.uk

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                  I'm really happy, and I feel a lot of other people are too, that Hurtigruten has eventually chosen a Norwegian shipyard to do the conversion work of their ships, including the Spitsbergen.

                  I already knew that Fosen Yards had been contacted but could not in my wildest dream imagine that they would be chosen. It's a great day for this shipyard, which filed for bankruptcy less than a month ago. And, the good thing is that it is so close to me that I might be able to capture some images.... (?).

                  According to this Norwegian article today ( http://www.fosna-folket.no/nyheter/2...t-11763372.ece ), the order of the conversions will be as follows:

                  Polarlys (arriving already next week)
                  Kong Harald
                  Nordkapp
                  Nordnorge....

                  ... and off course, the Spitsbergen too.
                  With best regards from Jan-Olav Storli

                  Administrator and Owner of CaptainsVoyage.
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