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    The New ship, drawing from Hurtigruten.

    Regards; Sigve.
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    IF I WIN IN LOTTO, I COULD GO EVERYWHERE. WITH FRAM....

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      I kind of wished a smaller ship, and smaller she is.
      I have a feeling that this ship will be known as the Hurtigrute that really ain't a Hurtigrute. It must be ages ago when a ship that wasn't custom built to the steamer traffic was sailing in route? I recon it will be splendid when finished.

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      • Sigve
        Sigve commented
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        Let's hope. I'm not very impressed. But I reckon that this was the best they could do with the time available. To design and build a new ship would take longer time. I hope they will give us GA-plans and more details in the near future.

      I cannot find a deck plan for the pressent arrangement, but I believe this is for a planned (but failed) conversion:


      Here is full specs as given by a broker:
      BUILT 2009
      CLASSIFICATION
      LLOYD’S REGISTER .100 A1 PASSENGERS AND VEHICLE FERRY, *IWS, .LMC, UMS, PCAC 33

      PRINCIPAL PARTICULARS
      LENGTH OVER ALL 97,53 M
      LENGTH BETWEEN PP 86,66 M
      BREADTH MOULDED 18,00 M
      DEPTH TO MAIN DECK 7,00 M
      DESIGN DRAWING 5,00 M
      DISPLACEMENT AT 5.0 M 4 810 T.
      SPEED (85% MCR) 17,00 KNT
      SPEED (100% MCR) 17,70 KNT
      DAILY DIESEL CONSUMPTION 29,00 T.
      GT (GROSS TONNAGE) 7025
      NT (NET TONNAGE) 2108
      DWT 630 T.
      AUTONOMY 220 H

      TANKS CAPACITY

      DIESEL 331 M3
      LUB. OIL 49 M3
      FRESH WATER 156 M3
      BALLAST WATER 318 M3
      OTHERS 192 M3

      PASSENGERS
      CONTRACTUAL CAPACITY 750 (PAX.)

      PUBLIC SPACES
      -AÇORES GARDEN (DECK 7) 127 (PAX.)
      -DOLPHIN LOUNGE (DECK 6) 106 (PAX.)
      -PULLMAN LOUNGE (DECK 6) 106 (PAX.)
      -ATLÂNTICO LOUNGE (DECK 5) 192 (PAX.)
      -SELF-SERVICE RESTAURANT (DECK 5) 66 (PAX.)
      -BLUE WAVE RESTAURANT (DECK 5) 69 (PAX.)
      -SOLARIUM (DECK 8) 30 (PAX.)
      -BAR (DECK 6) 60 (PAX.)
      -BAR (DECK 5) 40 (PAX.)

      CABINS/SUITES
      -10 X 2 BEDS (SUITES – DECK 6) 20 (PAX.)
      -7 X 2 BEDS (CABINES – DECK 6) 14 (PAX.)
      -10 X 4 BEDS (CABINES – DECK 6) 40 (PAX.)

      CREW
      CREW CABINES
      -25 (CABINES – DECK 7) 38 (PAX.)

      CARGO CAPACITY

      CARS 125
      BUS 8
      CARS+BUS 107+8

      GARAGE

      DECK 3 -FREE HEIGHT (M) -2,2
      DECK 4 -FREE HEIGHT (M) -2,0

      SHEL DOORS

      1-STERN RAMP DOOR -PS -CARS AND PASSENGERS -7,06MX18,14M
      1-SIDE RAMP DOOR -PS -CARS AND PASSENGERS -6,62MX10,04M
      1-TENDER EMBARKATION DOOR-SB -PASSENGERS -1,89MX 2,10M
      2-PILOT DOORS/BUNKER STATIONS-PS AND SB
      2-PASSENGERS EMBARKATION DOORS-PS AND SB

      PROPULSION

      2 AZIMUTH PROPULSORS
      TYPE SP 35 CRP
      MANUFACTURE: STEERPROP
      PROPELLERS DIAMETER: 3200/2550 MM
      Nº OF BLADES: 3/4
      PRIME MOVER POWER RATING: 3000KW @ 1250 RPM
      TYPE OF PRIME MOVER: ELECTRIC MOTOR
      PROPELLER SPEED: 174 RPM

      2 PROPULSION ELECTRICAL MOTORS
      TYPE: 1RN45606HM90-Z
      MANUFACTURE: SIEMENS
      RATED POWER: 3000 KW
      RATED VOLTAGE: 3X690 V
      SPEED RANGE: 0-1200 RPM
      COOLING: WATER COOLING

      STABILIZERS

      2 FINE STABILIZERS
      MANUFACTURE: ROLLS ROYCE
      TYPE: AQUARIOS 50


      SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT

      1 SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT
      MANUFACTURE: EVAC
      TYPE: MSP VII C
      LOADING: 60 M3/DAY

      FRESH WATER GENERATOR

      1 FRESH WATER GENERATOR
      MANUFACTURE: AQUAMAR
      TYPE: AQE-30
      CAPACITY: 25000 L/DAY

      OILY WATER SEPARATOR

      1 OILY WATER SEPARATOR
      MANUFACTURE: DVZ
      TYPE: DVZ 2500 FSU-OILMASTER
      CAPACITY: 2,5 M3L/H

      INCINERATOR

      1 SOLID WASTE & SLUDGE OIL INCINERATOR
      MANUFACTURE: DEERBERG
      TYPE: IRL 50
      CAPACITY: 500000KCAL/H

      PURIFIERS MODULES

      3 PURIFIERS (1 FOR MDO, 1 FOR LO AND 1 FOR MDO OR LO)
      MANUFACTURE: ALFA LAVAL
      TYPE: PU 100
      CAPACITY: 1850 L/H, 860 L/H AND 1850/860 L/H

      ANTI-HEELING
      MANUFACTURE: HOOPE
      TYPE: H250/250-2,0
      CAPACITY: 200 M3/H

      DECK MACHINERY
      MOORING EQUIPMENT
      3 ANCHOR 2850 KG (EACH)
      2 CHAINS WHIT 550 M (EACH), DIAM.42MM, QUALITY U3
      2 COMB. ANCHORS AND SINGLE-DRUM MOORING WINCHES (FW) HATLAPA
      2 SINGLE-DRUM MOORING WINCHES (AW) “HATLAPA”

      EQUIPMENT FOR PASSENGERS, CREW AND PROVISIONS

      1 PASSENGERS LIFT “ENOR”, 750KG CARGO LOAD / 10 PERSONS
      1 CARGO LIFT FOR CREW AND PROVISIONS “ENOR”, 750KG CARGO LOAD / 10 PERSONS
      1 DUMWAITER “ENOR”, 50KG CARGO LOAD
      1 ESCALATOR “ENOR”, BETWEEN DECK 3 AND DECK 5

      NAVIGATION EQUIPMENT
      1 VOYAGE DATA RECORDER “FURUNO”
      2 ARPA RADAR “FURUNO”
      1 AIS (AUTOMATIC IDENTIFICATION SYSTEM ) “FURUNO”
      2 DGPS (DIFFERENTIAL GLOBAL POSITIONING SYSTEM) “FURUNO”
      1 GYROCOMPASS WITH REPEATERS “RAYTHEON – ANSCHÜTZ”:
      1 MAGNETIC COMPASS “REFLECTA 1”
      1 AUTOMATIC PILOT “RAYTHEON – ANSCHÜTZ”
      1 ECHO SOUDER “FURUNO” WITH 2 TRANSDUCERS
      1 SPEED LOG “FURUNO”
      1 ECDIS (ELECTRONIC CHART DISPLAY SYSTEM) “FURUNO”
      1 FAC-SIMILE E NAVTEX “FURUNO”
      1 METEOROLOGICAL STATION “OBSERVATOR”
      1 INTEGRATED NAVIGATION SYSTEM “FURUNO”
      1 DP SYSTEM (DINAMIC POSISSIONING) “PRAXIS”
      RADIO EQUIPMENT
      1 RADIO CONSOLE GMDSS (GLOBAL MARITIME DISTRESS SAFETY SYSTEM) “SAILOR”
      A1, A2 E A3
      2 RADAR TRANSPONDER SART II “SAILOR”
      1 EPIRB COSPAS/SARSAT
      1 EPIRB COSPAS/SARSAT WITH MANUAL SYSTEM
      1 INMARSAT FLEET 77 “THRANE & THRANE”
      1 SHIP SECURITY ALERT SYSTEM (SSAS) “SAILOR”

      INTERNAL COMUNICATIONS
      1 AUTOMATIC TELEPHONE SYSTEM “ZENITEL”
      1 SOUND POWER TELEPHONE SYSTEM “ZENITEL”
      1 TALK BACK SYSTEM “ZENITEL”
      1 PUBLIC ADDRESS SYSTEM “ZENITEL”

      ENTERTAINMENT EQUIPMENT
      1 SATELLITE TV SYSTEM
      1 COMPUTER NET SYSTEM
      CCTV SYSTEM
      1 SURVEILLANCE CCTV MONITORING SYSTEM
      17 TV CAMERAS ON MACHINERY ROOMS
      16 TV CAMERAS ON GARAGE
      55 TV CAMERAS ON PUBLIC SPACES

      LIFE SAVING EQUIPMENT
      LIFE BOATS “HATECKE” PS/SB 150 PERSONS EACH
      1 LIFE BOAT/TENDER “HATECKE” SB 150/90 PERSONS
      4 LIFE RAFTS “VIKING” PS/SB 100 PERSONS EACH
      2 EVACUATION SLEEVE “VIKING” PS/SB
      1 RESCUE BOAT “HATECKE” SB
      1 FAST RESCUE BOAT “HATECKE” PS

      FIRE DETECTION
      1 INTEGRATED FIRE DETECTION SYSTEM
      MANUFACTURE: TYCO
      TYPE: T2000
      FIRE FIGHTING SYSTEMS

      . ACCOMMODATIONS AREAS:
      . FIRE AND DECK WASHING SYSTEM
      . HI-FOG SYSTEM
      . PORTABLE EXTINGUISHERS

      . MACHINERY SPACES:
      . FIRE AND DECK WASHING SYSTEM
      . HI-FOG SYSTEM
      . LOCAL APLICATION SYSTEM - HI-FOG
      . PORTABLE EXTINGUISHERS

      . GARAGE:
      . FIRE AND DECK WASHING SYSTEM
      . DRENCHER SYSTEM
      . PORTABLE EXTINGUISHERS´


      THE VESSEL IS ALONGSIDE AT THE SHIPYARD IN PORTUGAL

      SHE CAN BE INSPECTED ANY TIME.



      TRY REGION EUROS 23 MILLION.

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        There is quite a story behind Hurtigrutens new ship, this story from maritime.no says:

        http://www.maritime.no/nyheter/les-d...tens-nye-skip/
        Regards; Sigve.
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        IF I WIN IN LOTTO, I COULD GO EVERYWHERE. WITH FRAM....

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        • yvneac
          yvneac commented
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          It is a long story for so a recent ship!

        The smp.no article says, "Skipet, som midlertidig har fått navnet MS «Norway Explorer» ...", which Google translates into English as "The ship, currently called MS «Norway Explorer» ...".

        Does this mean she will sail under the Hurtigruten flag as "Norway Explorer" or is this just a code name before she receives a proper name?

        For me an "English" name would be very disappointing. There's so much charm in proper Nordic names, and no doubt much pride for Norwegians.
        Last edited by Clipper; July 4th, 2015, 04:37.
        ---------------------------
        Harald Jarl, Honningsvag to Svolvaer, Summer 1985.
        Deck plan geek.
        The first 5 days after the weekend are the toughest.

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        • Clipper
          Clipper commented
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          I can't find that "naming" topic anywhere. Did it become a casualty when we moved to the new server?

        • Sigve
          Sigve commented
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        • Clipper
          Clipper commented
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          Ah, thank you Sigve, for some reason I couldn't find it.

          There are some great suggestions in there. Reading through, "Varanger" and "Los Anders Holte" seem to stimulate the most emotion.

        There are pictures of Atlantida at Sergio@Cruises. On left hand side of page select:

        Ferry Atlantida seco em Viano do Castilo for shots in drydock. The type of propulsor should have no problems with a decent ice classification say 1B as Fram.

        Interiores do ferry ''Atlantida'' for good interior shots. Large open car deck(s). Plenty of space to fit refrigerated rooms when on coastal service.
        I would not like to be sitting on one of the chairs in the cafeteria off Finnmark in the winter!

        I reckon Midnatsol will have to leave Bergen about the 30th of August 2016 for the Antarctic so it will be interesting to see if ''Norway Explorer'' is fully refitted on time.

        Ombugge's deck plan could match the proposed conversion as a cruise ship on the Amazon.


        Regards

        Nordskott

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        • PoloUK
          PoloUK commented
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          Ombugge - don't think so - look at the photo of the escalator in Nordskott's link - in the comment above yours!

        • ombugge
          ombugge commented
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          Yes it appears that you are right;
          1 PASSENGERS LIFT “ENOR”, 750KG CARGO LOAD / 10 PERSONS
          1 CARGO LIFT FOR CREW AND PROVISIONS “ENOR”, 750KG CARGO LOAD / 10 PERSONS
          1 DUMWAITER “ENOR”, 50KG CARGO LOAD
          1 ESCALATOR “ENOR”, BETWEEN DECK 3 AND DECK 5
          The "Dumwaiter" lift is what I was thinking about.
          As per the above there are two lifts, one for Pax and for crew & provision.
          1 escalator must be a misprint. It should probably read; "Escalators between decks 3 to 5". That would tally with what the picture shows.

        • Clipper
          Clipper commented
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          OK, so there are two escalators, amazing!

          Back to Tommi's original question, "I wonder if they will keep the escalators?"

          Are they as relevant to the Hutigruten role as the original ferry role?

          I'm guessing that in ferry role, the escalators would have run down+down before disembarkation to deliver people to the car deck, then up+up after embarkation to bring people up from the car deck.

          I would argue that such mass movements of people are less predictable in the Hurtigruten role and that the space occupied by the escalators could be released for conventional non-moving stairways or some other purpose. And I'm sure that the reduction in top weight would be welcome.

        I have no doubt that the Hurtigruten specialists are working on perfect conversion plans to make a nice HRG ship. But i have doubts, if they will be in schedule. Time is short until winter 2016 and the changes will be huge, Let's watch out, when she will appear in the ruteplan. Maybe they will serve the route with one ship less in that winter. I wonder, if the state contract has a paragraph for that.
        Lofoten '07 ...... Nordnorge '11

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          Something that seems to have been missed - the Atlantida/Norway Explorer arrived at Landskrona on 6th July at 0700 UTC - position is shown on various AIS platforms

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          • PoloUK
            PoloUK commented
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            Looks smaller in some of the Marinetraffic photos!!

          • Clipper
            Clipper commented
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            Yes, the headline photo is clearly wrong.

          • Ralf__
            Ralf__ commented
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            Hahaha! I stumbled over this one also some time ago. If you use the small one, you don't need an extra tender boat. The ship IS the tender boat.

          Does anyone understand the purpose of the pontoons just above the waterline?
          ---------------------------
          Harald Jarl, Honningsvag to Svolvaer, Summer 1985.
          Deck plan geek.
          The first 5 days after the weekend are the toughest.

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          • Ralf__
            Ralf__ commented
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            I would assume that this is part of an anti roll system? Assisting some stabilisers? Or is this rubbish?

          • Clipper
            Clipper commented
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            Ralf, that is entirely feasible though we don't see anything similar on other stabilised ships. Maybe it's a different technology?

          The sponsons are there to increase the intact stability by increasing the Length/Breadth ratio and the water plan area.
          It has the disadvantage of reducing the speed and, in some cases, causing slamming in rough weather.

          Sponsons are commonly added onto Drill ships, like here:

          Also seen on Crane Barges, Heavy Lift Vessels and others requiring additional stability, either during transit or for certain operations.

          Some HLV with own cranes have portable sponsons that can be deployed when lifting heavy cargo:


          Carried on deck when in transit:

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          • Clipper
            Clipper commented
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            Ah, thank you Ombugge. So they help resist list/roll, a bit like a crane's stabilisers.

          • ombugge
            ombugge commented
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            Not really making any difference to roll and pitch motion. This is to increase stability and reduce static list when lifting.
            It may affect the roll frequency since it make the ship "stiffer", but that depends on the actual load condition.
            (I.e. the added stability is used to load more cargo, or add permanent weight high up)

          Hurtigruten are now inviting entries for the new name for 'Norway Explorer' - on their Facebook page.
          Entries by 10 August.

          My favourite is already in use!


          Nordskott

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          • Clipper
            Clipper commented
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            Ooh, good. I don't have a Facebook account, so can't play, but hope some of the suggestions from the naming page are submitted.

          Widely circulated video of a meeting between ships (apologies if posted and shared before):

          http://www.lofotposten.no/hurtigrute.../s/5-29-113894
          With best regards from Jan-Olav Storli

          Administrator and Owner of CaptainsVoyage.
          Main page: http://www.captainsvoyage.com

          Surround yourself with positive, ethical people who are committed to excellence.

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          • PoloUK
            PoloUK commented
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            Love that - so many happy memories.

          After a round trip on the MS Nordnorge I would like to ask a question here regarding the new 'Coastal Kitchen' idea. Generally passengers were happy with the quality of the new dinner, but the portions are embarrassingly small and I did have two occasions where personally I found the meat inedible (they were very good and changed my meal). Has anyone else had any experiences of this? It seems that the A la Carte is popular despite the price, and certainly of a better quality. On MS Nordnorge, the A la Carte 'restaurant' is one side of the main restaurant - on visiting MS Polarlys and MS Finnmarken they have created separate restaurants (in the Deck 4 Bar and the back end of the Deck 7 café respectively), this seems like a better idea. The buffets are OK but seem sparse and very repetitive at least on the MS Nordnorge. For example, the lunchtime buffet dessert was identical every day of the voyage with the exception of adding the previous nights leftover desserts. This is certainly the worst catering experience I have had in 6 round trips on Hurtigruten and would like to know if it is a general deterioration or just this ship?

          The crew as always were great, but on speaking with them they are clearly not happy with some of the changes - particularly, the 'money money money' approach. I think they attempted to sell onboard activities everyday which for the ever increasing price of the trip seems unreasonable. But then again, those of us who love the trip go for the scenery and the voyage itself so didn't really affect me.

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          • ombugge
            ombugge commented
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            I posted an article on just the subject of pushing all things extra on cruise ships in the Cruise news thread:
            Looks like Hurtigruten is becoming just another Cruise Line.

          • ombugge
            ombugge commented
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            I just posted this on the Cruise news thread: http://www.destinationtips.com/inspi...s-rip-you-off/
            Has Hurtigruten become just another Cruise line???

          I guess most of you have now already heard the GREAT news: Hurtigruten is planning to build some new ships in Norway.

          They have right now contacted several shipyards in Norway.
          With best regards from Jan-Olav Storli

          Administrator and Owner of CaptainsVoyage.
          Main page: http://www.captainsvoyage.com

          Surround yourself with positive, ethical people who are committed to excellence.

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          • ombugge
            ombugge commented
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            Under EU Rules they would have to go wider than just Norwegian yards. Probably with an open tender to all pre-qualified yards in Europe.
            Commercially, they may also want to look at Asian yards as well.

          • PoloUK
            PoloUK commented
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            Why Ombugge? They're not a government organisation - OJEU rules wouldn't apply.

          • ombugge
            ombugge commented
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            Although Norway is not part of the Union is is part of the Free Market and thus has to allow free competition for contracts, ownership and even for services and workers. I.e. if a yard in Europe has the capabilities and capacity to build a Hurtigrute they can try to be technically approved to bid for the work. That doesn't mean that they will be qualified and invited to bid, but if they do and have the lowest offer it is going to be hard to convince the people with the money bag to go for another option. That is at least how it works in these parts.
            Isn't this OJEU-thing something for government contracts, or am I too removed from the workings of EU? I'm sure you come up against this on a daily basis when it comes to bid for railway work?

          Yes, OJEU is for government procurement.

          Private procurement is not subject to the same rules. If I had £100M (I don't) and I wanted to have a boat built (I do), I wouldn't have to go to open tender, I could just go to a shipyard of my choice and ask them to build my new superyacht. Yes, of course, I'd probably want to go to one or two shipyards that I knew could do the work, but I wouldn't have to tell the world that I was thinking of buying my boat.

          Even in the public procurement world, it's normal to score bid responses based on several criteria - so technical capability, compliance, cost etc. The way that these are mixed together to give an overall score can vary from tender to tender, but its certainly possible / likely that a tender that costs more up front, but offers a better product, a lower whole life cost or other distinct benefits could easily score higher in the tender evaluation than the cheapest one.
          Cheers,

          Mark.

          www.pologlover.co.uk

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          • Clipper
            Clipper commented
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            Mmm, interesting case.

            The company could hardly be accused of acting unfairly by opting for an expensive procurement strategy. Issuing the ITT more broadly could only bring the price down.

            But on the other side of the coin, there's the subsidy issue. Is H' ASA a quango?
            Last edited by Clipper; August 22nd, 2015, 23:54.

          • ombugge
            ombugge commented
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            Do we know how far into the tender process they are, nor how wide the ITT has been spread, if at all? Maybe they are just making enquires, before even starting a formal tender process?

            Or they could already have done a much wider spread "interest to tender" exercise, based on which a selection of yards have been shortlist to receive the tender documents and a formal "invitation to tender".

            Working for a large European Oil Company (no name) in Indonesia, that was the order at which a tender exercise was done, with min. three tenders required to go ahead. The tenders had to be delivered in two envelopes, one with the technical specs and the other the financial bid.
            Only if technical aspect was accepted would the financial envelope be opened and the Tender Comity (Finance people & Accountants) would make the final decision, which usually would favour lowest bidder. Any technical explanation of prose and cons were normally ignored.
            Invariably we would get the lousiest solution from a technical point of view, but to avoid a lengthy re-tender process, we tried to technically accept three bids. Direct selection was VERY hard to get approved, unless there were no acceptable bids at all.

            I don't say that is how it is handled by Hurtigruten, only that in big organizations the tender process is not always the best.

          • Clipper
            Clipper commented
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            In the same vein ...

            Without naming the organisations concerned, I used to act on occasions in a Customer's Friend role, involving the preparation of ITTs.

            For a major procurement, putting the Tender Pack together was a large collaborative exercise in its own right.

            At its most comprehensive, a Tender Pack might comprise :

            * Formal Invitation to Tender (letter)
            * Timetable of key events/dates
            * Summary of Requirements
            * Contacts/addresses
            * QA Standards
            * Other bits ...
            * Four technical/management documents :
            -- Statement of Technical Requirements (STR)
            -- Statement of Management Requirements (SMR)
            -- Statement of Technical Information Required (STIR)
            -- Statement of Management Information Required (SMIR)

            All four annexes were typically included only for very large projects where production/delivery of goods was preceded by significant design/development activity.

            As the titles imply, the STR/SMR stated what was to be delivered and how (in broad terms) the design/production process was to be managed/reported. These could be very large documents.

            The purpose of the STIR/SMIR is less obvious. These documents specified the required format of tenderers' responses to the STR/SMR, thus making the Assessors job simpler - ideally, all tenders would be identically structured.

            All that was many years ago. It's probably changed many times over since then.
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