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    #16
    "Many believe that the disaster points to larger problems in Korean society, which places a premium on material gain."
    So what's new? Just Korean society??
    Even allowing for rumour, exaggeration and downright lies, etc., the account in your second link makes incredible reading.
    Ivy

    "To thine own self be true.......
    Thou canst not then be false to any man."

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      #17
      "Many believe that the disaster points to larger problems in Korean society, which places a premium on material gain."
      So what's new? Just Korean society??
      Even allowing for rumour, exaggeration and downright lies, etc., the account in your second link makes incredible reading.
      No it is NOT only the Koreans, it is world wide, with the US as the cheer leaders.

      I'm please that somebody is interested in this thread. I was beginning to think that nobody cared about 300 dead Korean kids.

      Yes, Korea is far away from Europe and North America and when a few hundred dies in ferry accidents in Indonesia or the Philippines, Bangladesh or somewhere in Africa it seldom get much attention in the Western media, But I thought that the fact that these were mostly kids would make a difference.

      If this had happened in Europe or North America it would have been headline news for weeks but, once the news value had gone, nothing much would have changed.
      Let us hope that the Koreans do better in retrospect.

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        #18
        Oh Ombugge, there has been little else on the news ever since the tragedy unfolded. Day after day it was headlines on radio and TV, wiping out that other tragedy of the plane of which, admittedly, there has been little else to report other than yet more failures to locate anything of definite value in solving the mystery of what actually happened. Yes, now that it is certain that there can be no more survivors from the ferry disaster there is little further to add, though perhaps we may hear about the raising of the ferryboat which I understand will be attempted soon.
        Further, yes, these were 300 dead Korean kids, but to me the lives of people of any age are equally sacred, all have their niche in life, most are part of a family nucleus which will hurt because of the loss of one of its members, a life that can never be replaced.
        Will the Koreans "do better in retrospect"?
        We shall see.
        Ivy

        "To thine own self be true.......
        Thou canst not then be false to any man."

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          #19
          The PM of Korea has offered to resign to take responsibility for what happened: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/...r/1084768.html
          So what, he is not the "power that be" in the Korean Government, the President is.

          In his televised speech he said the following:

          There has also been rage over perceived corruption and lax safety standards that may have led to the disaster, with claims that the ferry was overloaded and the passenger list was inaccurate and incomplete.


          Looking at the latest accident I came to a painful realisation that there is too much deep-rooted evil and corruption in our society. I hope that such wrongdoings will be rooted out this time so that an accident like this will never happen again."
          The head of the Korean Register of Shipping and Korean Shipping Association have also offered to resign due to the shortcomings of their respective organization.
          (Or to avoid being held criminally responsible??)

          Korean Shipping Association made the following statement:

          The shipping association issued a statement Friday saying that its chief director, Joo Sung-ho, intends to resign. Joo expressed his regrets over the accident and hoped that with lessons learned from the sinking, “our country will become a safe place without accidents.”
          PS> This is very much in line with the Capitalist mantra; "Maximize the return on investment for the shareholders". (In this case one family??)
          How?? By maximizing revenue and minimizing costs, no matter who gets hurt.
          Last edited by ombugge; April 27th, 2014, 14:42. Reason: Add PS

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            #20
            The facts are coming together. Here from Chosun Ilbo:
            The crewmember in charge of cargo phoned his superior at Chonghaejin and informed him that overloading appeared to be the cause of the accident and that it would be better to change the records to make it look as if the ferry was carrying less cargo. The two exchanged several phone calls to alter the records, but there was no discussion about evacuating the passengers. The Chonghaejin staffer then adjusted the data on the office computer by subtracting 180 tons of cargo. Investigators also obtained testimony that the Sewol was fitted with less weight of ballast water than required, in order to load more cargo.
            Insurers for the ferry MAY not have to honour their obligations, if the previous case of similar nature are to be taken as precedence. Here from Korean Herald:
            The Seoul Central District Court on April 3 ruled in favor of Dongbu Insurance Co., concluding that the firm does not have to pay for the vessel Seokjung 36 that sank off the coast of Ulsan in 2012. The then 29-year-old Japanese ship was purchased by Seokjung Engineering and Construction in 2007. Its structure was later modified, adding more than 500 tons to its weight. The case in question is assumed to be similar to that of the capsized ferry Sewol, which is believe to have listed and capsized due to renovations that altered its balance.

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              #21
              and they wil never learn.
              taking more cargo,is making more money,safety is not that inportant then anymore.
              change the records,yeah right,after salvage they wil found out what her cargo was and how heavy.(or it must be a liquit load)
              best regards Thijs

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                #22
                IMHO there are a lot of parallels concerning the stability of the ship to the Al Salam Boccacio Disaster in 2006.
                warm greetings from the Lippe County

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                  #23
                  Yes there certainly are a lot of parallels between these and other RO/Pax vessels over the years, which is that any ingress of water on the car deck is fatal in most cases.

                  But the biggest similarity between thise one and the Al Salam 98 sinking is here: http://english.chosun.com/site/data/...050600343.html

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                    #24
                    This is not a Maritime accident, but it says a lot about the Safety Culture in Korea, or rather the lack of one: http://english.chosun.com/site/data/...050701709.html
                    There may be some here on CVF with a lot more interest and knowledge about this accident than what is said in this article.

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                      #25
                      The facts are coming out: http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20140707001150

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                        #26
                        More from the ongoing trail in Korea: http://gcaptain.com/south-korean-chi...Captain.com%29

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                          #27
                          The wreck of Sewol is finally above surface again and safely loaded onto the HLV Dockwise White Marlin: http://abcnews.go.com/International/...-rift-46366853
                          It will be transported to Mapo for demolition .
                          PS> That must be one of the shortest transport done by a HLV of this type and size. ("launching" of structures has been done before)

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                            #28
                            The conditions on board - the state of the interiors - must be out of a horror movie I would think.

                            I still remember some of the images that appeared online from the inside of the Costa Concordia.
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