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  • Re: Random maritime accidents.

    Interesting

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/13/opinio...tml?hpt=hp_bn7

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    • Re: Random maritime accidents.

      The logistics of over 4'000 people on a disabled ship is staggering. More reports from passengers are making the news here in The States. Apparently they had an uncomfortable night before the tugs arrived as the ship rocked in heavy seas (or at least what the passenger thought was heavy). She (the passenger) reported that the ship was rocking to 45 degrees.... so I'm sure there is some embellishing in her story.

      I wonder if or when there will be a change in cruise ship design making dual engine rooms standard. I know it would be more expensive to have two engine rooms and some redundant power distribution but at some point the cost of 4'000 people adrift has to outweigh the cost of a bulkhead separating the engines & generators.

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      • Re: Random maritime accidents.

        Originally posted by Remarc View Post
        Intersting, yes, but hardly surprising these days.
        Ivy

        "To thine own self be true.......
        Thou canst not then be false to any man."

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        • Re: Random maritime accidents.

          A disaster still waiting to happen:
          http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfou...ng-cp-130.html

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          • Re: Random maritime accidents.

            Quote:
            "A disaster still waiting to happen:
            http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfou...ng-cp-130.html"


            Sorry, but this news is two weeks old. You can read this part of the story in the reports i posted before. At this moment LYUBOV ORLOVA is drifting eastwards and too far out to hire a new Canadian tugboat. The owner stated, he is confident she stays afloat, because they did a lot of work with the ballast tanks so she is good balanced. He also told to a newspaper that he is discussing with Irish salvage companies to catch her again, when she comes near British waters. That may take another six weeks and depends on fair weather....
            Last edited by Ralf__; February 18th, 2013, 11:15. Reason: Inserting quote and ships name
            Lofoten '07 ...... Nordnorge '11

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            • Re: Random maritime accidents.

              Is your post about the Lyubov Orlova, Ralf? But have you any idea as to my query at #492?
              Ivy

              "To thine own self be true.......
              Thou canst not then be false to any man."

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              • Re: Random maritime accidents.

                Originally posted by pilotdane View Post
                She (the passenger) reported that the ship was rocking to 45 degrees.... so I'm sure there is some embellishing in her story.
                Could it be a simple typo??? (45 or 4.5 degr. sounds similar)

                I wonder if or when there will be a change in cruise ship design making dual engine rooms standard. I know it would be more expensive to have two engine rooms and some redundant power distribution but at some point the cost of 4'000 people adrift has to outweigh the cost of a bulkhead separating the engines & generators.
                Now, that is a very sensible comment. Since most new Cruise ships have Diesel/Electric propulsion it would not be difficult to, or expensive, to have the power plant divided in two, or even three, separate and fully redundant compartments. It would be more costly to refit existing vessels though.

                Save a little on water slides, climbing walls and glitzy (or gory?) decorations in the Casino and "Shopping Streets" etc. and spend money on REAL SAFETY, among them Fire Safety and Life Saving Appliances redundancy to make sure the vessel can be evacuated safely in less than ideal conditions.
                Most serious accidents happens in less than ideal conditions, with well trained passengers and crew following clear instructions.

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                • Re: Random maritime accidents.

                  Doing a bit of Internet research it looks like SOLAS enacted regulations in 2009 for ships over 120 meters who's construction began after July 1, 2010 outlining a "Safe Return to Port" requirement.

                  Here's a .pdf if anyone needs some light reading to help fall asleep.

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                  • Re: Random maritime accidents.

                    Originally posted by wherrygirl View Post
                    Is your post about the Lyubov Orlova, Ralf? But have you any idea as to my query at #492?
                    I edited the post now to explain to what it refers. I have no knowlidge about regulations about ships in international waters, but the feeling that there are almost none. This is why such incidents are interesting me so much. I think, Ombugge is the one who could explain this regulations best.
                    Lofoten '07 ...... Nordnorge '11

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                    • Re: Random maritime accidents.

                      Nothing completely new, but a video with pictures describing the reported situation and showing her owner:

                      http://ntv.ca/owner-hopes-to-recover...lyubov-orlova/
                      Lofoten '07 ...... Nordnorge '11

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                      • Re: Random maritime accidents.

                        Originally posted by pilotdane View Post
                        Doing a bit of Internet research it looks like SOLAS enacted regulations in 2009 for ships over 120 meters who's construction began after July 1, 2010 outlining a "Safe Return to Port" requirement.

                        Here's a .pdf if anyone needs some light reading to help fall asleep.
                        Obviously the Carnival Triumph was not built to these rules. Nice theory, but even if the Costa Concordia "returned to port" it didn't save the life of all Pax and Crew.
                        Even 100% redundancy in LSA would not have helped, if the order to abandon ship was not issued in time.

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                        • Re: Random maritime accidents.

                          Source: http://www.romandie.com/news/n/_Le_L...0220131822.asp

                          "Le Lyubov Orlova repéré à la dérive à 800 km de Terre-Neuve

                          BREST - L'ex-navire de croisière russe Lyubov Orlova, à la dérive depuis un mois dans l'Atlantique Nord et dont on avait perdu la trace, a été repéré à quelque 800 km de Terre-Neuve (Canada), selon un document des services d'information maritime américains auquel l'AFP a eu accès jeudi.

                          Selon ce document, daté de mercredi et intitulé Daily memorandum Atlantic edition, le Lyubov Orlova a été repéré à la position 49 22.70N et 044 51.34W, soit à environ 800 km de son point de départ de Terre-Neuve et à 2.400 kilomètres (1.300 milles marins) à l'ouest des côtes de l'Irlande.


                          The ship is still much closer to Canada than to Ireland: 800-2400km. Could be a long drift....
                          Lofoten '07 ...... Nordnorge '11

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                          • Re: Random maritime accidents.

                            Source: http://www.cruisetricks.de/raetselra...lyubov-orlova/

                            Saturday morning at 23rd February 2013 apparently a mayday beacon of Lyubov Orlova activated itself and reported a position nearly exactly in the middle of Newfoundland and Ireland: 51°46.00N 35°41.00W

                            It is not clear, what the activation of the mayday beacon means: Such kind of beacon start if they get in contact with water. So the reason could be the sinking of Lyubov Orlova. But it is also possible that the beacon comes from a lifeboat of the ship, which went overboard. There is no exact information, says Joint Rescue Coordination Centre in Halifax, who received the signal.

                            The Irish Coast Guard, who fears that the current could lead Lyubov Orlova in Irish waters, tried even before the beacon was activated to spot the ship via sattelite. Apparently they found an object drifting towards Iceland, which could be the Lyubov Orlova as well.

                            The position, which was published by National Geospacial Intelligence Agency on Friday was: 49°22.70N 44°51.34W. Both positions have a distance of 700 km, so something is wrong here.

                            The Joint Rescue Coordination Centre in Halifax will monitor the beacon so to understand if the ship is sunken and to warn the ships nearby.
                            Lofoten '07 ...... Nordnorge '11

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                            • Re: Random maritime accidents.

                              Collision between two ships in the Singapore Strait the other day was caught on video.
                              I don't know if this will work, but here is the link:
                              http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd7_1362329626

                              Ships do get close to each other in the congested waters of Singapore Strait, but this is faaar to close for comfort, even at a very early stage of the event.
                              Last edited by ombugge; March 6th, 2013, 11:12.

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                              • Re: Random maritime accidents.

                                Originally posted by ombugge View Post
                                Collision between two ships in the Singapore Strait the other day was caught on video.
                                I don't know if this will work, but here is the link:
                                http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cd7_1362329626

                                Ships do get close to each other in the congested waters of Singapore Strait, but this is faaar to close for comfort, even at a very early stage of the event.
                                Did the smaller ship survive Ombugge?, i noticed in the report that it was said to be sinking. Wow, someone was not paying attention.
                                Your charts, your radar, your eyes and ears - if all 4 agree, you may proceed with caution.

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