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    #76
    Re: Cruise anløp, Kristiansund 2012

    I had a look in the website for Cruise Europe: http://www.cruiseeurope.com/port/
    Small places like Bekkjarvik, Floro, Bronnoysund etc. is featured, but Kristiansund is not. Why???

    European Cruise Service: http://www.europeancruise.no/index.html
    does not specify where they are active, or which specific places the are promoting, but claim to cover all of Norway. Are they active in Kristiansund??
    Last edited by ombugge; July 23rd, 2013, 15:09.

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      #77
      Re: Cruise anløp, Kristiansund 2012

      Thank you so much, 'Galaxy'!! Forever thankful for your updates!

      'Ombugge':
      I guess experts would have to step forward here, as I certainly don't have any answer.
      What I do know is that come 25. July, I will raise my glass and celebrate our harbour as a cruise port for 138 years, as Cook Travel Agency used Kristiansund as Norways first cruise port ever to take passengers on a cruise up north to the midnight sun.
      Sadly I don't know the ship name. Anyone?
      "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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        #78
        Re: Cruise anløp, Kristiansund 2012

        Originally posted by Sterkoder View Post
        Sadly I don't know the ship name. Anyone?
        It’s President Christie. See the entry for the year 1875 in Table 20.1 on page 278 of this book.

        Added as edit: I should spell that Præsident Christie, and I've found out more about how Kristiansund came into the story here under the section Midnight Sun at Nordkapp. Note that the the date of the actual departure from Kristiansund is given here as the 29th of July.
        Last edited by Seagull; July 23rd, 2013, 12:16.

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          #79
          Re: Cruise anløp, Kristiansund 2012

          Wow! Thank you, C!!!!
          Looks like I remembered correctly then, although there was a slight different in dates
          Your info and references here are important to me as I could not remember where I first read it, so thanks again!

          I belive we can say that Kristiansund became part of the cruise business on pure luck, and was not a regular cruise port in the late 1800s, but we sure was the first

          This means, in 2015, we can (if we want to) celebrate 140 years since the very first cruise call both in Kristiansund and Norway.
          Hmmm....., should I send a mail to Destination Kristiansund and Nordmøre/Cruise Kristiansund...??

          Now, next step at this stage; PRÆSIDENT CHRISTIE, wonder how that vessel looked like? (Must be of a certain size though, as I've seen manifests from it when used as a passenger ship from New York to Europe in 1852)
          Last edited by Sterkoder; July 23rd, 2013, 14:20.
          "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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            #80
            Re: Cruise anløp, Kristiansund 2012

            I’ve found a Praesident Christie on a fleetlist of Det Nordenfjeldske DS It gives “year built” as 1873 and “owned/managed” 1884-1936.

            Well, that 1936 fits with the ship described here as having grounded and sunk in January 1936. There is a picture labelled 1884.

            However a build year of 1873, whilst fitting with the Thomas Cook trip of 1875, doesn't fit with your mention of a manifest of 1852.
            Last edited by Seagull; July 23rd, 2013, 15:03.

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              #81
              Re: Cruise anløp, Kristiansund 2012

              European Cruise Service in Bergen claim to have been in the Cruise business for 160 year: http://www.europeancruise.no/index.html
              Or don't they?? Is it just clever wording???
              The plot is thickening!!! Who came first Bergen or Kristiansund???

              What about this claim from Geiranger??: http://www.stranda-hamnevesen.no/history
              I have posted pictures from this visit earlier in the Geiranger thread.
              Last edited by ombugge; July 23rd, 2013, 15:12. Reason: add text as facts found

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                #82
                Re: Cruise anløp, Kristiansund 2012

                Ombugge -
                In the Norway page of the European Cruise Service website, the last line, mentioning “since 1850” is specifically referring to Thomas Bennett’s travel agency, so that would appear to be their basis for that “last 160 years” i.e. initially tourism generally rather than cruise in particular

                Thomas Bennett’s agency is even mentioned in the second reference of post#78, just before the "Midnight Sun at Nordkapp" section, and the existence of other travel agencies at this time is alluded to, including of course that of C. A. Gundersen’s who collaborated with Thomas Cook in arranging for Præsident Christie to be held at Kristiansund.

                I see the Thomas Cook’s 1875 Nordkapp excursion as more “cruise-like” in that it was apparently first advertised and then participants booked on the escorted tour, whereas the Geiranger group of Quakers seems to me more like “hiring a boat and skipper” or private charter arrangement, and their religious purpose less like the origins of cruise tourism as such.

                Sterkoder -
                Here’s another reference to Præsident Christie showing her as built in 1873 at Bergens Mekaniske Verksted AS, yard no. 29.
                But do you remember where you saw that later manifest you mentioned?
                Last edited by Seagull; July 23rd, 2013, 18:53.

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                  #83
                  Re: Cruise anløp, Kristiansund 2012

                  Well, then there must have been two vessels with the name Præsident Christie then..., which is not unusual.
                  I mean, the one in New York 1852 sunk or went out of service, while there was a new one called with the same name...

                  As to 'Ombugge's mention, I see the operations of Bennett as an all around travelling agency, being an agent for boat-, ship- train- and road travel..., later also air travel.

                  Nevertheless I see Kristiansund as Norways very first cruise port as it was used to a plain cruise as we know cruise today. If someone is trying to drag me into a plot discussion...., they should rather pull very hard, as it will be a monolog
                  Last edited by Sterkoder; July 23rd, 2013, 19:30.
                  "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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                    #84
                    Re: Cruise anløp, Kristiansund 2012

                    Cecilia, I saw the mentioning of S/S President Christie in 1852 here:

                    http://immigrantships.net/v7/1800v7/...e18520621.html

                    It was not a sailing to Europe as I said, but the ship was in fact used as an immigrant ship from Europe to New York.
                    "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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                      #85
                      Re: Cruise anløp, Kristiansund 2012

                      Raise a question or two on CVF and somebody is likely to come up with some answers, or some interesting links that leads you on to something else.

                      I have spent most of the afternoon reading Mike Bent's detailed history of Hurtigruten, with more details then I have seen anywhere else.

                      Here is a link to his book about Hurtigruten: http://www.lulu.com/shop/mike-bent/t...-17487479.html

                      He has also written about Nattruten - Bergen Stavanger vv. and about the Fjordabaater around Bergen.
                      Amazing deep knowledge of the subjects as far as I can judge, especially for a non-Norwegian.

                      Thank you Seagull!!!

                      And don't worry Sterkoder, I will not pursue the subject of Kristiansund and the Cruise ship traffic any further.

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                        #86
                        Re: Cruise anløp, Kristiansund 2012

                        I’ve so very much enjoyed the topics that have emerged in this thread these last couple of days.

                        Thanks for your thank you ombugge ….and yes CVF is so wonderful in these sort of ways isn’t it, and I think from this thread I may have led myself to something else interesting to pursue locally when time allows:- look what I found from an article about BDS in skipsmagasinet.no !
                        1888: BDS starter med ukentlige turistruter fra Leith via Bergen og fjordene til Trondheim.
                        1891: Turistruten fra Leith – Tr.heim. går inn i den regulære Englandsruten.


                        Svein, such is the internationally recognised importance of Thomas Cook in the emergence of the travel industry, I think that any connection of a place with him would be something to mark and celebrate in a round figure year. But as you’ve realised, the tourism authorities would certainly want to see picture of the ship and a bit about it.

                        I haven’t been able to find any other reference to a ship of the name President or Præsident Christie existing prior to 1873 (the build date of the ship we have found info and a photo of) other than that Hamburg to New York manifest of 1852. The difficulty in trying to discover more about the older ship from the single reference we have is that the emigration aspect tends to lead searches to pay-for databases intended for genealogical family history research.

                        Although I agree there remains that nagging doubt without further info about the older ship, I do feel the 1873-built ship to be the more likely candidate for Cook’s excursion. Keep in mind that if you read further here under the Midnight Sun at Nordkapp heading the author goes on to mention ships available to Cook in the years 1876, 1877 and 1878 following the first tour.

                        At this point I needed to go backwards and read about the earlier shipping companies (my hurtigruten-driven interest having previously tended to focus on years post-1893!) Look here in the section “Competitors” paragraphs 4 and 5 which has info about the Præsident Christie of 1873.

                        (I also found note of two more photos in the collections of the Sverresborg museum in Trondheim which are of the 1873 build, but the earlier link to a photo I found is perhaps better and has the advantage of including a year date on it.)

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                          #87
                          Re: Cruise anløp, Kristiansund 2012

                          And don't worry Sterkoder, I will not pursue the subject of Kristiansund and the Cruise ship traffic any further.
                          Hahaha...., don't worry back (so to speak), the ones trying to take away this feather in the hat of Kristiansund harbour are talking to deaf ears..., as we say in Norway (only in Norwegian then ).

                          I agree Cecilia, the Præsident Christie used by Thomas Cook must be the one you've found a picture or two of, the one of 1873.

                          (OT: President Christie has a bust (of which you have taken the picture C.) on top of the hill where Hauggata ends, near the fire station. The place has a perfect eastern view over the harbour).
                          "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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                            #88
                            Re: Cruise anløp, Kristiansund 2012

                            Originally posted by Sterkoder View Post
                            ....OT: President Christie has a bust (of which you have taken the picture C.) on top of the hill where Hauggata ends, near the fire station. The place has a perfect eastern view over the harbour....
                            Yes indeed, that would be an excellent spot to celebrate in July 2015! Cheers!

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                              #89
                              Re: Cruise anløp, Kristiansund 2012

                              Then the list is updated agein and i have now found the * missing link *.......The 16th ship is Braemar at july 23
                              Last edited by Galaxy; July 28th, 2013, 23:58.

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                                #90
                                Re: Cruise anløp, Kristiansund 2012

                                Thank you! So glad I can update my list (in fact it's yours)
                                "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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