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    Re: Help E (....and Sterkoder....) figure out a new camera

    After thinking things through for a few days...., I'm just off the phone with my camera salesman.
    Five minutes ago I ordered my PENTAX K-5 II

    Starting it all with AGFA Instamatic some 25-30 years ago, walking the way via a few other analog 'compact pocket' cameras, a couple of analog SLRs, two FujiFilm Finepix cameras and finally a PENTAX K-x entry-level camera...., I feel like climbing up a step or two.

    I'm a self educated hobby photographer, and I want to do more with my photography. So therefore I want a tool which can make me do that.
    The camera will be delivered in around a week or so, and the importer is now calculating a fair price.
    (I'm so happy to have a camera salesman of the old sort in this city. Does anybody belive they could have a "special" price calculated at the chain dealers such as the Norwegian Expert, Elkj°p or what they are all called...?? I don't think so).

    Thumbs up for small specialized shops and stores!!!
    "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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      Re: Help E (....and Sterkoder....) figure out a new camera

      It's really great that you have this excellent service in your own town. I have made some tries with my local Expert-dealer, but they seem to have focused on mass selling products. They even had to special order a "normal" 77mm UV-filter. I don't mind waiting, but I got a bit negative feeling when a shop don't have knowledge, stock, fair prices or don't know where to obtain the stuff.
      Expert in my nearby city was good when they still were in business, not too much in stock - but a great service attitude.

      Even if photography really isn't about gear, It's always inspirational to get some new stuff. Congratulations!

      I came to think about the dust problem of yours. Some lenses have a "bicycle pump" phenomena when zooming in and out. That could actually bring in some dust inside the camera even without exchanging lenses.

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        Re: Help E (....and Sterkoder....) figure out a new camera

        Even if photography really isn't about gear,
        You are totally correct.
        One well known Norwegian photographer once told me that you can make the greatest pictures with a point-and-shoot 'one time' (engangs) camera bought in any kiosk.
        I also know one can make superb images just using a cardboard box with a pinhole and contact paper inside.
        It's all about the person behind the tool.

        Some lenses have a "bicycle pump" phenomena when zooming in and out. That could actually bring in some dust inside the camera even without exchanging lenses.
        Hmmm...., interesting theory you're coming up with here. And highly logical.
        This is because I seem to have collecting more dust even not changing objects, and I could not figure out why.
        I got my PENTAX K-x back from cleaning yesterday, and my camera salesman even found hairs (!) .
        I really look forward to receive a weatherproof, dustproof and sealed down camera.

        Tommi, I wonder:
        This possible vacuum you mention, do you think it would be so appearent if I zoom manually...?
        I mean, zooming in 'Auto' makes the lenses move rather quick and thus could create a more powerful vacuum...., if you see what I mean.

        And one more question for you, or any other who feel to comment:
        Do you see it as an advantage to set the Dust Removal Equipment to shake whenever the camera is turned on, or not...?
        The reason for asking is that once a dust object or several has stuck to the CMOS, it's better to know exactly where they are to remove them in a photo editing programme, than have them move around every time you use the Dust Removal (if they don't quite unstick, that is).

        Thanks for the congratulation, I really look forward to the coming season!!

        PS: As for chain deales like Expert, Elkj°p and such...., I've experienced salesmen NOT having any clue as to what I was asking about in the field of cameras and lenses, so MY way to the best camera salesman (who also happen to be a professionally educated photographer) in the city was rather short.
        Last edited by Sterkoder; February 2nd, 2013, 17:41. Reason: Correcting my own english writing hickups
        "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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          Re: Help E (....and Sterkoder....) figure out a new camera

          There are two kinds of lens movements, focusing and zoom.
          Focusing can be operated by the camera, zoom is (almost) always manual. Some people believe that the problem is greater with lenses that extend when zooming/focusing. Some lenses have internal mechanisms for this, in other words the tube is always the same length.
          I have been quite lucky to just have few dust problems, all of them solved with a normal blower bellow. I always have the auto sensor cleaning turned on, but I don't see a great difference compared to some older bodies without integrated cleaning I have had before.

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            Re: Help E (....and Sterkoder....) figure out a new camera

            Thanks for answering.
            Focus/zoom....., it's not the same (I know), but it's not every time what I have in my brain comes through via the keyboard

            Well, it seems like I would want my Dust Removal turned off then, in the future also.
            "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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              Re: Help E (....and Sterkoder....) figure out a new camera

              Today...., an early Christmas Eve came to our house





              (Don't expect miracles in the first few images)
              "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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                Re: Help E (....and Sterkoder....) figure out a new camera

                dumb dumb dumb Svein,its a belate cristmas gift,otherwise you don't get any present with christmas eve 2013
                best regards Thijs

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                  Re: Help E (....and Sterkoder....) figure out a new camera

                  I guess you're right, Thijs..., Christmas gift a little late

                  Have to have a period of testing and learning my new camera, because most of the settings can now be done via two wheels and two knobs at the right hand thumb and pointing fingers.
                  Much is the same from the K-x, but there are certainly enough new on the K-5 II to have me rub my head for quite some time
                  "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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                    Re: Help E (....and Sterkoder....) figure out a new camera

                    Congratulations, and a new lens too?

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                      Re: Help E (....and Sterkoder....) figure out a new camera

                      Thanks Tommi!
                      The lense is the 18-55mm which came with the camera, weather- and dustproof.
                      But you see, I'll do nothing with an 18-55, so until I find a sealed lense that suits my purpose, I have to use the old TAMRON 18-200mm.
                      Saving up for an original PENTAX 18-something lense, but the weather- and dustproof lenses are few and their range are not to my liking.
                      I would love to have a 18-270, but I guess the sealed one is 18-135.
                      Perhaps that is good enough, as I can have my images pretty much zoomed up by cropping them, or...?
                      "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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                        My Pentax K-5 II from post #201 died on me, in heavy rain in Trondheim 22nd September 2018, 5 years and 7 month after purchase.
                        I've tried everything in MY power to give life to it again, because I loved that camera, but it is finally dead.
                        It might come to life if I give it to a camera repair shop, but will it be worth the price?
                        I guess this is my natural step up to full-frame and the Pentax K-1 II?

                        Anyway, I have now returned to my "life boat", the beginners camera Pentax K-X and here are three test shots from tonight, just to find out if this will suit me for now.
                        Two things I don't like: the K-X can go no lower in ISO than 200 and there are no 'mirror up'-function when using the remote control.

                        ​​​​​​IMGP2516 by Svein Ludvigsen, on Flickr

                        ​​​​​​IMGP2517 by Svein Ludvigsen, on Flickr

                        ​​​​​​IMGP2520 by Svein Ludvigsen, on Flickr
                        "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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                        • Ralf__
                          Ralf__ commented
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                          If you purchase a used body in Germany right now, you will pay at least about 350 € (3.500 NOK).
                          And then you have to add all the equipment (objectives,bags, etc.), will that fit all to the K-1 II?? This body is in Germany about 1.700€ n(17.000 NOK) new.
                          Just to give you some emotionless numbers, to judge between a repair offer, a used, but working chassis and a new invest.

                          Did you already filled the body over and over with rice to draw out the last rest of water?
                          This sometimes helps on electronic platines. maybe you will have to disassemble it.

                          But i am writing this as the photographic ignorant i am...

                        Did remove 14 or 15 screws, all I could find on the outside, but the camera would simply not come apart.
                        Tried to leave it with all hatches open for 24 hours on a heated floor, and for half that time on top of an electric radiator (made the steel camera body red hot, by the way). Nothing helped.
                        Have not tried the rice-method yet though.

                        Call me picky, but I will not purchase anything used..., as long as I'm spending saved money anyway. Why?
                        Because a camera, as far as I know..., and a digital one at least, will keep up with only an expected number of exposures. They say my K-5 II is good for about 100.000 exposures. Mine has passed 50.-60.000.
                        Therefore I will preferably buy a camera and start at 0 exposures on the shutter.

                        And when buying something used, what kind of use has the camera been through? That's only one of my thoughts.
                        And according to the Norwegian Law of Purchase (Kj°psloven, for those who speak Norwegian), one only has two years to complaint about the purchase when buying from a private person, but five years if you buy from a professional dealer. That's also important.

                        For a good year and a half, I've also had problems with the contacts between the camera body and lense. Every now and then I get 'errored out' and have to loosen and tighten my lense.
                        Don't have time for that when photographing a moving object.

                        I guess the result of all this will be me saving up for a Pentax K-1 II and a Pentax 28-105mm lense. (Have had thoughts about stepping up to full-frame ever since I got my K-5 II, so it might as well happen now).
                        "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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                        • Ralf__
                          Ralf__ commented
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                          ...collecting arguments... well, that is okay, you are moving towards a good decision.
                          It will be expensive, but you will emerge all small and bigger problems - and you will go ahead in quality and possibilities. Good.
                          Any useful advantage, if you look at the education of your daughter?? If even this -- much better!
                          Last try to hold you back from spending your future pension (?): Ask for the price of a repair, maybe it is cheap (no, it isn't, and will it be really successful?)
                          .... well, if big boys are thinking about a new toy - hopeless, they will go and buy it.

                          So go on, it is the best thing you can do.

                        • Tommi
                          Tommi commented
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                          Sorry to hear about the problems, this is something that happens now and then for all of us. Generally speaking, I think that I send one photography item per year to repair or replacement due to some kind of problem (most common problem: lens misalignment due to shocks).

                          The rice trick sometimes is far better than just heat, you want to dry it, not heat it! :-)

                          Almost 6 years is old for a camera, in my opinion it's not worth to send it for repair, it's probably cheaper - or at least as expensive to buy a second hand K-5 II that actually works.

                          Very few of my photo gear was purchased factory new, the most are second hand or demo units. I have never seen any difference in the lifespan between new or used items.

                          It could also be a clever idea to use the same system within the family - then you can borrow lenses from eachother (she shoots Nikon, doesn't she?).

                        I've been thinking about the full-frame K-1 since its intro for over a year ago. Didn't buy then because I thought too much about "childhood faults" (barnesykdommer), as this was/is the very first full-frame from Richo-Pentax.
                        Now, as they launched their K-1 Mk. II, I think I'll have a go.
                        Call it "collecting arguments", but when you really want something, it's kind of difficult to argue against. I visited my camera dealer yesterday and ordered one K-1 II and a full-frame Pentax lense 28-105mm. Hope to get it all in a week
                        "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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                          Sorry to hear about your failing camera, but sadly, this is something that happens once in a blue moon.

                          I have for the most part been using a Canon Powershot G7X Mark II for my photos in the past year, and by far, this is the very best compact camera I have ever tried/owned. I brought my Canon EOS 5D to Hong Kong and Thailand in September, but ended up carrying it around everywhere and only shooting 5 shots of the same subject!

                          I know this is also lacking a dead pigeon, but I'm seriously considering getting rid of the whole SLR-bag and its contents. It just doesn't get used anymore... it's perhaps my own fault, but it's just too much work to use it, download images to computer and such....

                          I have, as you understand, nothing valuable to add to your question, other than go for it. If you feel you want it, go for it... you only live once. If you can afford it, yes, why not?

                          PS: I saw that you already tried the rice-trick.
                          With best regards from Jan-Olav Storli

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                          • Sterkoder
                            Sterkoder commented
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                            Thank you for supporting words, Jan Olav :-)

                            As you see in my post above, the K-1 II and full-frame lense are already ordered.
                            I'm too much into photography to not carry a DSLR around, I enjoy taking pictures, I want the possibility to be creative with the camera, I want to think like a photographer and if I didn't have my job here, I would very much have liked to be a photographer.
                            According to that, I have a daughter who just started her 2-year study at Norwegian School of Photography in Ila, Trondheim, to be a professional photographer, and we talk, snap, mail and sms photography all day long.
                            Nobody need anything, except good health, food, a job and a roof over the head..., but I need a DSLR, that debate is over, finished :-)

                            And as for you selling off your SLR-bag and contents, I belive you should not think twice about it.
                            We are all in different stages in life, interests change, we get new perspectives.
                            Your gear will not eat you out of your house, so it does not cost anything to store it..., should the interest for such photography rise again.
                            But why not make someone who want a good camera and lenses get it to work with?

                            I must admit; I use my iPhone as my only camera more than I did before, but using a mobile camera and a DSLR is two different types of photography.
                            As I went to work in Sandnessj°en for 10 days in 2017, I brought my Pentax, but came home with 0 (zero) pictures on the memory card.
                            In my iPhone, I had over 100 pictures from the trip.
                            So you see, I can understand your thoughts about your EOS 5D and your trip to Thailand and Hong Kong :-)
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