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    This is Australia

    We don't appear to have a thread dedicated to Australia in general, so I will start one here, since we will hopefully have a lot more pictures from there in the future.
    To kick it off, here is a bit of "Australian madness". Short, but it gives an idea of the goings on in Sydney during Australia Day:

    This is not the only "madness", only a small example. Maybe some pictures of other "mad events" from Nari down the line??

    Here is another short video from the Alice Springs Boat Race:
    One year it had to be cancelled, because there were water in the creek.

    May I be so daring as to give a link to my WA adventure thread?
    And also may interest some members.

    "To thine own self be true.......
    Thou canst not then be false to any man."


      I hear that Tony Abbott "is sick of being lectured by the United Nations about Australia's treatment of Asylum seekers".

      Maybe Indonesia is sick of being told what to do with Drug traffickers by the same Tony Abbott?
      Not to mention finding lifeboats full of dehydrated women and children drifted onto Indonesian beaches, or Australian patrol boats entering into Indonesian waters illegally.

      Australia is a signatory to most UN treaties on Human rights, Refugees and Asylum seeker, but chooses to ignore them at will, as do they IMO rules for rescue at sea.
      Threatening their neighbours with stopping aid if the don't open their boarders to people Australia don't want is not very becoming for a country like Australia.

      Do they think that the present policy of clandestinely returning them in lifeboats without markings, which has been proven to have been purchased by Australia, will stop the flow?
      Or do they think that the present policy of indefinite detention can be sustained forever?

      Finally: Do they expect these people to settle in PNG if and when they have to be released from detention and obtain some form of travel document from PNG?
      No, the moment they are free to move about they will try to move either to Australia, or to another Commonwealth country. (PNG is member of the Commonwealth)

      Some may remember the Tampa Affair:
      In that case Australia broke all Maritime Laws and unwritten "laws" that had taken hundreds of years to develop. Why?? For perceived political gain for the then Prime Minister and ruling party.
      I was heavily involved on a forum run by ABC and refuted their right to refuse access to the Australian territory of Christmas Island. As c an be expected I received a lot of illogical replies, some directly nasty, but also some support.

      When the HMAS Manoora took the people from the Tampa to Nauru they had to call at Darwin for resupply, but the vessel stayed outside 12 n.mile limit so that they could not claim asylum.
      I pointed out in a post that to spend taxpayer money on transporting tonnes of supply by helicopter was kind of wasted, since they later proceeded through the North East Passage at Torres Strait, which brought them to within a mile or so off Thursday Island, which is in Australian waters.
      I don't know if I can "take credit" for it, but when the next transport to Nauru took place they went all the way around to the south of Tasmania.

      When the affair wound down I wrote a final post and divulged my background as former Master of a ship that had picked up several thousands of Vietnamese in the South China Sea in the late 1970s, so I knew something about fighting the Authorities who were dead set against accepting refugees.

      I also wrote an anecdote about an Aussie Crane Operator who was talking tough about "chasing the bastards away" etc.; One time we picked up a heavily pregnant woman. After spending a couple of days on board I decided that we had to get her into the refugee camp so she would not give birth on board.
      He was tasked with lifting her on a stretcher onto a heaving Crew boat alongside. I have never seen anybody handling a crane with more care then our tough guy.
      That post was named the best post of the thread.

      PS> She gave birth only a couple of days after reaching the Refugee Camp and named her son Fred after the Fredericksburg.


        Try living in Oz when every day we feel embarrassed by it all. We have become a ship of fools and countries overseas are watching and wondering.
        Yet there are supporters of his policies, and the refugee issue is world wide with no easy answer on the table for anyone.
        We are a huge country with about 20% arable land, and that is something people overseas forget.


          Yes Australia is big and most of it is not suitable for farming, but with plenty of space to spare. Australia need people to at least maintain it's population, let alone expanding it's population.
          Even if most of the arable land is taken, there are a lot of other opportunities for expansion, given an entrepreneurial and hard working population of immigrants that is hungry for opportunities. That is how Australia came to be in the first place.

          Singapore is another nation of immigrants, but it is small and has negligible arable land left, and no natural resources.
          Yet it has become one of the riches countries in the world by allowing foreign investment and ownership of industries, not by protectionism.
          It also encourage resource rich people to come here to live and work, but selectively, like Australia.
          The big difference is that Australia has become rich by exporting raw materials and agricultural product to the world, not by industrial development to any large extent.

          An expanding industrial economy also requires workers to do the "menial tasks" that the locals - and the highly educated emigrants it attracts - does not want to do.
          Thus willing un-skilled workers are needed as well. The asylum seekers may be a source for such workers.
          I don't say that all the so called asylum seekers are suitable candidates for gainful settlement in Australia, but to reject them outright is a wast.
          Yes, there is the possibility that a few bad apples slips through the screening, but so it is for the legal immigrants and refugees that is allowed in under the quota system.

          To be cynical:
          - Screen the arrivals a.s.a.p. and do it in Australia, where you have full control of the process. No more than 6 months should be allowed for this process.
          - The ones that qualify for asylum, or as refugees, under UNHCR criteria, is given legal status as such, but with the provision that they can be sent home if the situation allows. (Or they prove unsuitable for integration into Australian way of life)
          - Of the rest, select the ones that shows initiative and willingness to work hard and give them a legal status for a period of years to ensure they are able to integrate. (But with the possibility to reject them if the don't)
          - Those that do not show promises should be sent back to their country of origin, or country of first refuge a.s.a.p.

          Hard and brutal?? Well, it is a hell of a lot better than to keep people in limbo and - in Australia's case - locked up in detention camps for year before they get to know their faith.

          This is a lot more productive and humane than what is the practices today. It should be practiced by other countries as well.
          Noticeably Norway, where asylum seekers are kept in limbo (but not in detention camps) for years while the bureaucrats look for any reason to send them back to their country of origin.


            This has nothing to do with Australia (OT) but this article in today illustrate what I said about the conditions for Asylum seekers in Norway:

            It just proves that there are more rich countries than Australia that has problem with how to handle people who fall outside the template. At the same time they have no problems criticizing poor countries in Africa, Middle East and Pakistan who has to handle millions of refugees, if they should close their borders.
            Long live hypocrisy!!

            Maybe the bureaucrats that is tasked with handling such cases and the politicians who sets the laws should be required to work for at least a few months in a Refugee Camp, or in the countries these people com from, to learn how real life is there. It is not 8 hr. day with coffee breaks/5 days a week, but a 24/7 struggle to survive.

            Am I a bleeding hearth who does not know anything about the problem?? No, I'm a realist and able to understand the fears and predicaments behind this situation on one side.
            On the other side, I worked in Bangladesh in the worst time after the independence war in 1971-72 and saw what it is like when people dies from starvation and neglect all around you.
            I got a very good advice from a veteran aid worker; "You got to grow callouses on your heart". Which I did in order to survive and perform the job I was tasked with.

            Yet, when faced with refugees in leaky boats in the South China Sea in 1978-1980, I refused to stop picking them up, even if instructed to do so by both the Oilco we worked for and by Indonesian authorities at high level. That is the "Law of the Sea", written and un-written.

            By the way, at the time Australia criticized the countries around the South China Sea for refusing to accept the boats and sending them back out to sea. Just the same as they are doing now.
            The few boats that actually reach the Australian coast was welcomed by open arms. Why?? Because that was mainly ethnic Chinese Vietnamese who escaped with literally "tons of gold".
            May I repeat it; Long live hypocrisy!!


              There are many strange things in Australia and this one of them:


              • nari
                nari commented
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                Don't blame oz!
                They swam across from PNG for some reason and liked the look of Cape York and then southwards?
                Maybe they are an evolutionary misfit but unless we can train them to impale cane toads - they are not wanted.

                Hey, ombugge, what else do we have that is strange? We have more venomous beasties than most countriesin the sea and on land, but -heck - we don't have lions and tigers and bears.......

              • ombugge
                ombugge commented
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                Here are some:

                There may be more.

              • nari
                nari commented
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                That fairly well covers it.
                Foreigners think snakes are on the streets and redbacks (dangerous spiders) hide in beds.
                Out in the bush that could be true, in certain places. The taipan hides in sugar cane and is our deadliest snake. However deaths are rare.

              Is this real, or clever editing????:


                This may shed some light - or may not!

                "To thine own self be true.......
                Thou canst not then be false to any man."


                • nari
                  nari commented
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                  What went on then was murky and the issue remains as a reminder that no matter how popular or unpopular a public figure is, pie throwing and virtual punching remains a sport amongst certain personalities in and out of government.
                  The dirty washing of politics is always alive and well-preserved, no matter what party is in or out of power.
                  Unfortunately the matter of governing gets waylaid, often.

                South East Australia is covered in deep snow:

                Norwegians may not be impressed by a sprinkling of 5 cm deep snow, but for Southern Queensland this is quite unusual:

                ​The sun has turned and soon it will be spring, with a VERY HOT summer to follow by the end of the year. (El Ninjo year, remember??)


                • nari
                  nari commented
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                  And as we are only 625 m above sea level,we got nothing, except a dusting on the ranges 60km away.
                  Stanthorpe in Queensland is 800 m. above SL. Has not decently snowed in the ACT since 1988.

                  The next summer could be a bad one - hard to tell accurately as the IOD (Indian Ocean Dipole) can raise the SOI and make the summer less horrendous. However, at least my month in Norway (October) will be a respite from it all.

                As some of you may have noticed, the Aussies are great at practical jokes, but this one must be among the costliest yet:


                • nari
                  nari commented
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                  The wealth of imaginative placings of structures in extraordinary places is inexhaustible.
                  Someone once carted three dunnies into a desert and placed them carefully inside a derelict house.
                  It became a kind of pilgrimage for the 4W drivers to visit and pay various ways.

                • wherrygirl
                  wherrygirl commented
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                  Oh nari, I like it!

                The 52nd Annual Boat Race in Alice Springs is due next month, in case any CVF members would like to visit this spectacle of Australian ingenuity.
                It has been arranged every year since 1962, except in 1993 when it had to be cancelled because there were water in the creek:

                If you don't have the time or resources to visit, here is a taste of what it is like. This is from 2013:

                Hopefully it will not rain away this year.


                  But you can trust the Australians to come up with other regattas with a twist.
                  The Beer Can Boat Regatta in Darwin is but one such special events:
                  Part of the fun is to drink empty all those can.

                  Again, for those who (beer) cannot attend, here is a taste:


                    If you thought the above was weird just look at this one:

                    Here is a video from a previous Tuna Tossing Competition:


                    • Tommi
                      Tommi commented
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                      Interesting to see some new fresh approaches to sports. :-)

                    • nari
                      nari commented
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                      Probably easier than tossing a caber and one can't eat cabers afterwards...gotta be inventive.

                    Another Australian festival of more serious nature, at least for the politicians who attend: