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    #61
    Pity, I'm so sorry it didn't work out. It's kind of sad, almost like the end of an era.

    But what I fail to understand, didn't Boeing a few years back relaunch a stretched 747.... think they called it the 747-900 or 747-X or something... didn't that turn into firm orders?
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      #62
      Yea, they did do an updated 747 but sales have not been good. They have only sold 20 in the past three years. Their production rate is already down to one every two months which must be driving their costs up with such a slow production rate.

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        #63
        Do you think or feel that rather the slow sales-numbers of this new and enlarged 747, is a result of engine thrust per dollar (as in consumption)?

        I remember when they launched the larger version, a key point was that they didn't need to go through the expencive and lengthy process to get approval for a brand new type of aircraft, like for example the A380.
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          #64
          The design, approval process and cost for the new 747 was large. Not as big as the A380 but still a large and expensive undertaking but that was not it's undoing, nor were the engines. In the end it suffers the same market problems as the A380. We are coming out of the period where financing was crazy cheap, fuel was expensive and twin engine aircraft were less economical per passenger/mile. Those circumstances seems to have allowed four engine aircraft to survive or at least gave them a lease on life.

          A big issue that hurts the big A380 and 747 is that they must fill those big cabins to be efficient. Now, twin engine aircraft have lower operating costs per passenger mile and their smaller cabins are easier to fill making profit more easily obtained by the airlines.

          Even re-designed and covered with new paint the 747 is still based off a 50 year old model. It's had a great run but it's time for the olde' girl to retire. I still wish I had the chance to ride in first class on the upper deck though.

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            #65
            I totally agree and have great undertsanding in what you write above.

            It is however with great sadness I see the 747's are quickly disappearing from active use.... If I was a millionaire, I would buy one and convert it to a home for myself or a hotel for others... They look amazing and have always been THE aircraft with my biggest interest. I guess it will always be sad to say goodbye to something you adored for so long.
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              #66
              With the Boeing 747 really quickly disappearing from the skies of the world, they can now be seen on the ROADS in Thailand!

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHf0DzX79o0
               
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                #67
                There is NOTHING as beautiful as a Boeing 747 jumbo-jet..... and now, she is really, really, really fast disappearing from the skies of the world.

                United has already said goodbye to their last B747:

                A youtube video about their final flight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUbabyFKUvQ

                ... and a the story in writing:
                Today, marking the end of an era, United announced it will fly its final scheduled 747 route sometime in the fourth quarter of this year. When it does, United will be the last U.S.-based passenger carrier to retire the venerable aircraft.
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                  #68
                  In Thailand, there are also two abandoned B747's with an interesting story.

                  They have been parked on Pitsanulok airport for quite some time already... : https://www.bangkokpost.com/learning...ensive-parking
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                    #69
                    Got to visit this retired B747 near Ubon on my next trip to Thailand:

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDw7JF-kB-Y
                     
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