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    #61
    Pity, I'm so sorry it didn't work out. It's kind of sad, almost like the end of an era.

    But what I fail to understand, didn't Boeing a few years back relaunch a stretched 747.... think they called it the 747-900 or 747-X or something... didn't that turn into firm orders?
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      #62
      Yea, they did do an updated 747 but sales have not been good. They have only sold 20 in the past three years. Their production rate is already down to one every two months which must be driving their costs up with such a slow production rate.

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        #63
        Do you think or feel that rather the slow sales-numbers of this new and enlarged 747, is a result of engine thrust per dollar (as in consumption)?

        I remember when they launched the larger version, a key point was that they didn't need to go through the expencive and lengthy process to get approval for a brand new type of aircraft, like for example the A380.
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          #64
          The design, approval process and cost for the new 747 was large. Not as big as the A380 but still a large and expensive undertaking but that was not it's undoing, nor were the engines. In the end it suffers the same market problems as the A380. We are coming out of the period where financing was crazy cheap, fuel was expensive and twin engine aircraft were less economical per passenger/mile. Those circumstances seems to have allowed four engine aircraft to survive or at least gave them a lease on life.

          A big issue that hurts the big A380 and 747 is that they must fill those big cabins to be efficient. Now, twin engine aircraft have lower operating costs per passenger mile and their smaller cabins are easier to fill making profit more easily obtained by the airlines.

          Even re-designed and covered with new paint the 747 is still based off a 50 year old model. It's had a great run but it's time for the olde' girl to retire. I still wish I had the chance to ride in first class on the upper deck though.

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            #65
            I totally agree and have great undertsanding in what you write above.

            It is however with great sadness I see the 747's are quickly disappearing from active use.... If I was a millionaire, I would buy one and convert it to a home for myself or a hotel for others... They look amazing and have always been THE aircraft with my biggest interest. I guess it will always be sad to say goodbye to something you adored for so long.
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              #66
              With the Boeing 747 really quickly disappearing from the skies of the world, they can now be seen on the ROADS in Thailand!

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHf0DzX79o0
               
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                #67
                There is NOTHING as beautiful as a Boeing 747 jumbo-jet..... and now, she is really, really, really fast disappearing from the skies of the world.

                United has already said goodbye to their last B747:

                A youtube video about their final flight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUbabyFKUvQ

                ... and a the story in writing:
                Today, marking the end of an era, United announced it will fly its final scheduled 747 route sometime in the fourth quarter of this year. When it does, United will be the last U.S.-based passenger carrier to retire the venerable aircraft.
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                  #68
                  In Thailand, there are also two abandoned B747's with an interesting story.

                  They have been parked on Pitsanulok airport for quite some time already... : https://www.bangkokpost.com/learning...ensive-parking
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                    #69
                    Got to visit this retired B747 near Ubon on my next trip to Thailand:

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDw7JF-kB-Y
                     
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                      #70
                      Not many 747 to see on airports around the world anymore.... on a recent visit to Hong Kong, it was really evident. In the past, I've loved Hong Kong airport because there was so many 747 to see from the terminal. On a recent visit, there wasn't that many left.

                      Boeing is also on the brink of closing down their production of the 747-8i passenger version. According to some not so recent reports, Turkish Airlines came in last minute with negotiations to purchase 8 747-8i.

                      Apparently, Turkish Airlines wanted to cut the number of flights to destinations where they fly more than once every day. For specific routes with three departures each day with Boeing 777, the airline instead wants to use the 747-8i with three classes, and room for 410 passengers.

                      https://www.dailysabah.com/business/...per-jumbo-jets

                      https://www.hangar.no/skulle-legge-n...ly-produseres/
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                        #71
                        A reason to eat more cake and a reason to celebrate more.... at least I did, on September 30th....

                        50th anniversary of the first ever roll-out of a B747. The first Queen rolled out from the hangar at Everett assembly building, in front of representatives of 26 airlines....

                        50 years of engineering marvel.... soon to be over. Insert really sad smilie right here... with tears, real tears, crocodile tears.
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                          #72
                          I have said it many times before, but my absolutely wettest dream involves buying myself an used B747 and converting it to a hotel/cafe and restaurant...

                          This is Kalitta Air as seen at Arlanda Stockholm Airport... a Boeing 747-200 from March 2006:

                          2017_01_17 Stockholm - Arlanda-IMG_2572 by Captain Jan-Olav Storli, on Flickr

                          2017_01_17 Stockholm - Arlanda-IMG_2573 by Captain Jan-Olav Storli, on Flickr
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                            #73
                            I love the B-747, always have.
                            The first thing that came to mind when Airbus announced they will end the A380 production was; you can never teach an old dog to bark. Boeing is Boeing, Airbus is junior in this party :-)
                            Just look, gaze, at the Boeing 747-8..., wow. A380 looks like a brick compared.
                            "IF GOD COULD MAKE ANGELS...., WHY IN HELL MAKE MAN?"

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by Sterkoder View Post
                              I love the B-747, always have.
                              The first thing that came to mind when Airbus announced they will end the A380 production was; you can never teach an old dog to bark. Boeing is Boeing, Airbus is junior in this party :-)
                              Just look, gaze, at the Boeing 747-8..., wow. A380 looks like a brick compared.
                              So true, so true.... A380 is OK, but B747 is beauty at it's finest.

                              It's so sad, that these days when the 747 celebrates 50 years in service, they are vanishing at an alarming pace. I would really love to preserve one of my own... Sterkoder, with your flight experience, could you be the scratch crew picking up one for me? Please? Pretty please?
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